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bigtoe
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This is important information to get out to the Jewish community... Its a little long but DEFINITELY worth reading through- if it doesnt happen to you it is likely it has happened or will happen to someone you know!

A couple weeks ago I was on the A train and I was approached by a middle aged Israeli man (about 50, about 5'5 or 5'6-ish, Israeli accent, grey hair) who recognized that I was Jewish and started up a conversation with me in Hebrew. He told me he is in America now because his mother just had heart surgery and they are leaving back to Israel that very day. He told me it was so lucky he ran into me because he just went to the bank that day and his ATM expired and he needed to pay for his sick mother's prescription meds at the pharmacy and he had 1200 shekel he needed to exchange- would I help him? (According to his story because his ATM card was expired they would not allow him to exchange money yada yada) We were "coincidentally" getting off at the same stop at 59th and he "conveniently" knew exactly which bank to go to. When we get to the bank he does the calculations and figures that its about $320 which he tells me to take out of the ATM. I say, nooooo, you give me the shkalim and I'll exchange it for you. He says, oh, you must have misunderstood, I dont actually have the shkalim here, my wife has it with her at the pharmacy down the block. So I say, lets go to the pharmacy. He says, no, actually shes at the pharmacy in Queens. He assures me if I give him $320 he will send me the exact amount in dollars or shkalim whatever I prefer. He writes down all his info on a piece of paper, along with his mother's name for tehillim (good move) and even shows me his ID. He tells me how special it is that we are part of such a cohesive nation and that he can be so far from home and yet find family (apparently thats me)  who can help him in the middle of NYC. I finally tell him that I simply cant give him that money without any guarantee or collateral and he tells me that he is not upset with me but feels so sorry for me that I dont trust my fellow jew. When I explained that I just didnt know him he said he felt sorry for me that I hated all Jews, Israeli's, the land of Israel, and puppies. (Fine, not puppies but he may as well have said that too.) He walks away, I call my friend in tears unsure whether I had done the right thing. NOW HERE IS THE PART TO PAY ATTENTION TO: She told me that this man is well known for targeting young Jewish students and professionals and he uses variation of the same story- his son is sick, his wife is sick, but there is pretty consistently a "misunderstanding" where his target THINKS they are just exchanging money but really he doesnt have the shkalim on him. After this happened I tried to spread the story by word of mouth and found 6 (!!!) people who I know personally who have been approached by this man and several who have actually given him money. And these are just people I know. Just from the people I have spoken to, he has made approximately $600. Just a last comment- this man is INCREDIBLY persuasive. If I was reading this I would definitely say to myself, "Im not stupid enough to go with a stranger to a bank and fall for that". Yet, 6 other people I spoke to, INTELLIGENT and EDUCATED people, did the exact same thing. He is very manipulative, very persuasive, and appears non-threatening. I invite anyone who this has happened to, or who knows of someone this has happened to, to respond to this post so we can guage how prevalent this actually is. And hopefully, if enough people become aware of this, we can prevent this sleazebag from targeting anyone else.

~Leyat
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I've been approached too in Midtown.
Smile, say I wish I could help and walk away.
YBS
No, call the cops. The other victims could have filed a report, and now, they have their man.
glockenspiel
It happened to me sad.gif . Different story but same guy. He did the exact same thing to me, I want a piece of him so badly.
Aristotle
I knew it! I was approached by this guy, although then the story was about his wife. He speaks Hebrew, Yiddish and a broken English. Said his name was a Abramowitz and he has a well know falafel place somewhere in Israel. Gave a number and adress to reach and all. I didn't have the heart to tell him no, and gave him a sizable amount of money. A sucker is born every minute. If anyone finds out more info on this guy please share. Maybe a joint effort will help find and confront him. (How's that for a meet idea...)
glockenspiel
QUOTE(Aristotle @ May 31 2006, 09:05 PM) [snapback]570713[/snapback]

I knew it! I was approached by this guy, although then the story was about his wife. He speaks Hebrew, Yiddish and a broken English. Said his name was a Abramowitz and he has a well know falafel place somewhere in Israel. Gave a number and adress to reach and all. I didn't have the heart to tell him no, and gave him a sizable amount of money. A sucker is born every minute. If anyone finds out more info on this guy please share. Maybe a joint effort will help find and confront him. (How's that for a meet idea...)

Dude, no jokes. I really want a piece of this guy. Its not even a "con", because jews give to other Jews without suspecting anything. This guy is the lowest of the low. I was saving up for something, and now I have to work more weekend hours to make up the difference. Its all up to hashem, but Im sure Hashem will let me take one swing.
Psychodad
QUOTE(Aristotle @ May 31 2006, 09:05 PM) [snapback]570713[/snapback]

I knew it! I was approached by this guy, although then the story was about his wife. He speaks Hebrew, Yiddish and a broken English. Said his name was a Abramowitz and he has a well know falafel place somewhere in Israel. Gave a number and adress to reach and all. I didn't have the heart to tell him no, and gave him a sizable amount of money. A sucker is born every minute. If anyone finds out more info on this guy please share. Maybe a joint effort will help find and confront him. (How's that for a meet idea...)

But you seem like such a smart guy on the internet

QUOTE(Glockenspiel @ May 31 2006, 09:10 PM) [snapback]570718[/snapback]

Dude, no jokes. I really want a piece of this guy. Its not even a "con", because jews give to other Jews without suspecting anything. This guy is the lowest of the low. I was saving up for something, and now I have to work more weekend hours to make up the difference. Its all up to hashem, but Im sure Hashem will let me take one swing.

your blog is hilarious btw
Aristotle
QUOTE(Psychodad @ May 31 2006, 09:17 PM) [snapback]570723[/snapback]

But you seem like such a smart guy on the internet

Do I also seem heartless?
Jeanette
QUOTE(Aristotle @ May 31 2006, 09:05 PM) [snapback]570713[/snapback]

I knew it! I was approached by this guy, although then the story was about his wife. He speaks Hebrew, Yiddish and a broken English. Said his name was a Abramowitz and he has a well know falafel place somewhere in Israel. Gave a number and adress to reach and all. I didn't have the heart to tell him no, and gave him a sizable amount of money. A sucker is born every minute. If anyone finds out more info on this guy please share. Maybe a joint effort will help find and confront him. (How's that for a meet idea...)

No! Not Aristotle. Another illusion shattered....

QUOTE(Aristotle @ May 31 2006, 09:18 PM) [snapback]570734[/snapback]

Do I also seem heartless?

Yeah, kinda. Not heartless, exactly, but in a mochin d'gadlus kind of way. Glad to find out otherwise. smile.gif
Aristotle
QUOTE(ClopCup @ May 31 2006, 09:26 PM) [snapback]570744[/snapback]

No! Not Aristotle. Another illusion shattered....

Illusion? What illusion?
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Yeah, kinda. Not heartless, exactly, but in a mochin d'gadlus kind of way. Glad to find out otherwise. smile.gif

I actually have a heart of gold. If you don't believe me, ask my mother.
Jeanette
QUOTE(Aristotle @ May 31 2006, 09:32 PM) [snapback]570753[/snapback]

Illusion? What illusion?

I actually have a heart of gold. If you don't believe me, ask my mother.

Your mother, ha. My mother is convinced that one brother of mine is the next Kohen gadol.
ez123
the same thing happened to my brother. i still cant believe it. its not his type to get conned into this things. he lost a hefty sum of money and is very upset. its sick to play on the jew to jew emotions. its sad you dont know who to trust anymore. his story was similar with a guy who was stuck in america after taking a flight back from canada and he had jusdt come from a fuineral after his first time in america. he had to stay in a hotel with his six kids.... and 500 dollars later, my brother came home.
Jeanette
The thing is that there are so many beautiful *true* stories of people who helped you out in a pinch... My sister recently had a Jew (not frum looking) pay for her taxi home from the airport when the car service she ordered failed to show up.
YBS
Is it this guy?

I see him from time to time. From these stories I would really punch him in the nose, and then again. And it's not the money -- money is a taiva, people do crazy stuff for money. I don't care about money - it comes and it goes. But it's how low he puts the Jewish religion, Jewish values and Jewish sensitivities. It's how he speaks in the name of Jewish brotherhood, while shamelessly betraying it -- that absolutely infuriates me.

Is it the Israeli guy with black hair and a black trimmed beard, average height, in his mid 30's or so? The first thing he asks is if you speak Hebrew?
accolade
I'm pretty certain we had a thread about this (type of) con-man.
Shaina
QUOTE(accolade @ Jun 1 2006, 12:11 AM) [snapback]570990[/snapback]

I'm pretty certain we had a thread about this (type of) con-man.

Though it's nice that us newbies who have not managed to read through every thread in the archives get to hear this important warning, no?
accolade
QUOTE(shalva @ Jun 1 2006, 01:12 AM) [snapback]570992[/snapback]

Though it's nice that us newbies who have not managed to read through every thread in the archives get to hear this important warning, no?

That looks like a trick question.

Any question that ends with a "yes," "no," or "right" looks like a trick question to me.
Shaina
QUOTE(accolade @ Jun 1 2006, 12:20 AM) [snapback]570998[/snapback]

That looks like a trick question.

Any question that ends with a "yes," "no," or "right" looks like a trick question to me.

Skip the last word then.
You're avoiding the issue. wink.gif
DeepQuest
Next time anyone sees this $#@&er, snap a pic and post it.

If you do punch him in the face, take an after shot too.
accolade
QUOTE(shalva @ Jun 1 2006, 01:25 AM) [snapback]571007[/snapback]

Skip the last word then.
You're avoiding the issue. wink.gif

I think your point was valid.

What's the issue that I'm avoiding?
Shaina
QUOTE(accolade @ Jun 1 2006, 01:17 AM) [snapback]571013[/snapback]

What's the issue that I'm avoiding?

I think that at least 35% of all threads have a link in them to previous threads on the same topic. What's the point? There are so many newcomers who may learn something from these topics, and they might even contribute something new. IRL, would you cut someone off mid-sentence and say, "Hey, didn't we talk about this like 7 months ago? Yeah, let me look through my files.... Yup! It was a Tuesday at 8:27, and you said the same thing you're saying now."
I realize that it's different on the internet, and the comparison is not exactly accurate, but it's how I feel when someone will tell me that it's already been "discussed."
bigtoe
QUOTE(accolade @ Jun 1 2006, 01:11 AM) [snapback]570990[/snapback]
I'm pretty certain we had a thread about this (type of) con-man.

Does another one hurt for the benefit of the community-at-large?
good. didn't think so
FYI
QUOTE(bigtoe @ May 31 2006, 06:49 PM) [snapback]570587[/snapback]

I've been approached too in Midtown.
Smile, say I wish I could help and walk away.

If and when in the situation, I always say "I need to ask my husband first" (Even though I do most of finances it's a good way to fluff the person off at least temporarily until I have more info).


QUOTE(ClopCup @ May 31 2006, 08:50 PM) [snapback]570771[/snapback]

The thing is that there are so many beautiful *true* stories of people who helped you out in a pinch... My sister recently had a Jew (not frum looking) pay for her taxi home from the airport when the car service she ordered failed to show up.

Yup! Similar thing happened to me once when I asked if taxi co takes cc and was told yes and then when dropped me off told me he only takes cash, somone gave me the cash and I paid it back a couple hours later.
Belle
QUOTE(Glockenspiel @ May 31 2006, 08:53 PM) [snapback]570702[/snapback]

It happened to me sad.gif . Different story but same guy. He did the exact same thing to me, I want a piece of him so badly.


That #@$%^&*!!!!!!!!! He got me too, at the Union Square station in February this year. I gave him the cash at the ATM machine, expecting to get the shkalim, and.......... of course he said he'd "express mail" it to me.

Similar story - his uncle died, he's here for the funeral, and must pay for his hotel stay, and it's exactly $320. Same amount too.


He wrote his info down on my ATM receipts - his name is supposedly Yisrael Berger, he lives in Tel Aviv with a falafel place, as Aristotle said. Told me to come visit him if I ever need anything.

What an #@$%.

mad.gif mad.gif mad.gif
accolade
QUOTE(shalva @ Jun 1 2006, 02:29 AM) [snapback]571016[/snapback]

I think that at least 35% of all threads have a link in them to previous threads on the same topic. What's the point? There are so many newcomers who may learn something from these topics, and they might even contribute something new.

I link to old topics so that members can benefit from reading the viewpoints and opinions expressed in previous discussions, if they so choose. My point is not to terminate new discussions.


QUOTE(bigtoe @ Jun 1 2006, 12:49 PM) [snapback]571322[/snapback]

Does another one hurt for the benefit of the community-at-large?
good. didn't think so

No. I don't believe I implied that it did.
YBS
I wonder what you can really do if you see him on the street. I assume that not much.

Clearly, deforming his face on the street is a bad idea. If I see him, can I call the cops while holding him (citizens' arrest?)? What will I tell the cops? That Machmir and Aristotle on H.com got cheated? dunce.gif
It doesn't sound like he did any crime at all. You, fools, willingly gave him your money.

Anyone with legal experience?
Belle
Bump.

Anyone seen this guy around recently? I dreamed about him and woke up all mad.
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