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mrs.something
I'm looking to find out demographics of charedi communities in Israel, with the hopes of moving to one of them.
What I want to know are: Location- city, living expenses- approx how much apts cost there, what type of community there is- meaning what type of people, how far this city/community is from jerusalem, availability of jobs, what size community, schooling options (for kids), if they have any learning programs there for married men, and if so what they are like.
And lastly, if anyone knows anyone that lives in these places and would be able to give me more information about the place and possibilities of going there for shabbos to check it out.

I really would appreciate this. I sorta need to know this information ASAP.
Pinchas
I think if you narrowed it down a bit you may be able to get more responses. What exactly are you looking for in terms of those questions? How charedi? How big? How far from Yerushalayim? What could you afford? Are you willing to move to Yesha?

Two neighboorhoods that come to mind from your questions are Ramat Beit Shemesh Bet (which is more charedi than Aleph, where the Americans are) and Modiin Illit (Kiryat Sefer). I was very impressed with the latter.

Here's some more info on Modiin Illit:
http://chareidi.shemayisrael.com/archives5...V63features.htm
mrs.something
We're looking for something pretty charedi- it can either be litvish or chassidish or a mix of the two-- we prefer a mix of the two, then second choice is just chassidish. If there are americans there it would be nice, but I dont want a community of just americans- we're not looking for a community like har nof- thats a drop too american for us. And its in yerushalayim. We wouldnt mind living in yesha, but its not a lichatchila. Someplace easily accessible without a car would be nice, but it isnt a must.
We're looking for a place quite frum, very charedi, etc.
Ideas that come to mind are:
Ashdod
Ramat Bet Shemesh Bet (thats the chassidish one, right?)
Kiryat Sefer
Beitar
Tel Tzion

I really don't know other places, and I don't know too much about the aforementioned communities aside for the fact that they are charedi. I would like to know more demographics about those places, as I mentioned above- schooling, housing, etc...

Price range we're looking for something cheaper than Jerusalem, something that we'll be able to live in semi comfortably on a one person salary (mr.something learns in kollel). A place where that is the norm would be nice. We're not looking for a place like meah shearim, but as I said earlier, we're not looking for a place like har nof either. Somewhere halfway in between. (Could be I don't really know as much about har nof as I think I do.)
How big? It doesnt have to be huge, but I don't want something with just 50 families.

A community like telz stone sounds nice, but for certain reasons we arent planning on living there. But the type of thing we like about telz stone is the frumness level, the fact that it is a mix of yeshivish and chassidish, and the fact that not everyone there is charedi from birth. A place like that sounds really nice. Maybe a drop frummer.

mrs.something
Oh, one last thing for now- I'm not interested in places that dont have many young couples. The more young couples in a community, the better it is for us.
Rikal
Ashdod _ The Charedi communities there are Litvish, Gur some Chabad mostly. Those are the schools available.

Ramat Bet Shemesh Bet (thats the chassidish one, right?) Not relly familiar

Kiryat Sefer - 100% Litvish by design, has a quota on the #of Sefardi families by street. There are also Americans.

Beitar - Meah Shearim of the yishuvim. You can get stabbed by mishmeres hatznius and they are not very accepting of those not charedi enough.

Tel Tzion - I know the best because we have thoughts of moving there. The community is mixed Lit + Chass. The apts are reasonable. The Rav is a Vizhnitzer. Of course, each kehilla/shul has its own rav.There are playgrounds, its not crowded. Apts are in the $100k range - cheap for a charedi neighborhood. The value is expected to go up. There are some anglos there, I don't look for them. Its 10 min from Yerushalayim, closer than Telz Stone.

Har Nof is overpriced and less American than it once was. Because R' Ovadia Yosef moved there many sefardim are moving in.

Immanuel is the cheapest Charedi community by far and is designed beautifully. There are Litvish, Chassidish and Sefardi schools for boys and ganim. For girls there is still one big BY. There is a bus to Bnai Brak every 20 - 30 min and now they have a straight bus to Y-m which is always increasing. It is cheap because in the past it was poorly managed and nearly broke down. Today the community is rebuilding itself nicely and attracting new young couples. I live 20 min from it have sent kids to school there. There are some Anglos. You can rent for $50-100! Buy for less than $50,000 a big apt.

Bnai Brak is Boro Park but much more crowded. Too much politics and appearances. Not the whole city, of course, but it is the general feel of the place. Expensive fashions, ties, etc. More fancy and loud. Again, not across the board but very prominent.

If you are a certain type of Chassid I can tell you were most others live. Kiryat Belz in Y-m. A new Gur complex is in the planning stage plus they have neighborhoods in Ashdod and Arad. Tzanz in Natania, etc.
Pinchas
Ramat Bet Shemesh Bet is indeed the chassidish one - and the folks in Aleph (much more American) are complaining that the folks in Bet are trying to impose thier chumras on them.

Tehilla has put together some information on communities here:
http://www.tehilla.com/kt/communities.asp

Unfortunately they don't seem to profile Charadi communities but it might be worth a look.
Kalashnikover_Rebbe
Another place that you can look into is Elad which is a relatively new, and rapidly growing Haredi city near Petach Tikva and Rosh Ha'Ayin. It is mostly Haredi with a smattering of Dati Leumi. All kinds of Hassidim, Litvaks and Sefardim there. There are SOME Americans but it is certainly not and Anglo community or anything close to it.

Don't know the prices but I assume they are pretty cheap compared to J'Lem or Bnai Black.
justajew
Isn't Moshav Matityahu also a chareidi place?
mrs.something
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Another place that you can look into is Elad which is a relatively new, and rapidly growing Haredi city near Petach Tikva and Rosh Ha'Ayin. It is mostly Haredi with a smattering of Dati Leumi. All kinds of Hassidim, Litvaks and Sefardim there. There are SOME Americans but it is certainly not and Anglo community or anything close to it.

Don't know the prices but I assume they are pretty cheap compared to J'Lem or Bnai Black.

Thanks for the suggestions.
Anything else? Or more info on the cities listed already?
The ones that sound most interesting are Ramat Bet Shemesh Bet, Elad, Emanuel, Kiryat Sefer, Tel Tzion, and Beitar.
Rikal
Elad is definitely cheaper than Bnai Brak or Y-m. My ex has an apt there and he rents it for $410. My dd's basement in Beit Israel costs more than that. Mattisyahu is a very small and very controled community. There are many Anglos there.
NY-LON
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Isn't Moshav Matityahu also a chareidi place?

More kind of "chardali". Everyone on the moshav has to abide by Rav Leff's rulings.

Somewhat OT, but the tensions in RBS A aren't just about people from Bet trying to "impose their chumrot", it's about issues within Alef itself, which has both dati and chareidi communities.
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