Let me count them:

1. מוניות
2. Shower Hoses
3. Waiting 1/2 hr for hot water
4. Egged's loopy, mapless, bus circuits
5. מהדרין lines
6. שוקו-a more disgusting chocolate product has yet to be invented. I don't care if it comes in plastic bags.
7. נס-קפה
8. Let's face it. Hebrew is just badly pronounced and rearranged English. (!רמקולים? שו הדא רמקולים? מייקרופונים)
9. What kind of badly-run city shuts down from a little snow?
10. I don't care what municipal regulations are, Jerusalem stone is cute, but not for an entire city. I hear it's imported from Canada anyway.

I think Pinchas is going to finally get to pull his first post.....

Aww..come on. That would be too easy and too painless.

Shall I sharpen the Spear, Master???

Well I'd be upset too if I ended up paying ten times the going rate to get to the airport. (Nesher only charges you 45 NIS for the record).



My shower has both. My roomate likes it for getting to hard to reach places. Guess we Israelis have better hygiene.



Only in the winter and only if you are keeping you dood shemesh off... if you like throwing money away like all rich americans do you could leave it on all the time. ([acronym="By the way"]BTW[/acronym] think about just how much energy Americans really are wasting heating water when it's not being used all year round.)



I thought I explained already - the 99 bus is just a sight-seeing bus for tourists!



What are you complaining about - it's the women that should be complaining... you are a dude, right?



Whoa...Let's just pretend I didn't hear that.



It's a miracle...and you get a free red mug!



'tis true...




What's worse?! What kind a city shuts down every week... just for a little thing called Shabbat... sheesh!
(And yeah...it's snowed what - twice in the past 15 years.)




No. You're thinking of the beer...

In the desert, would you have called for a return to the fleshpots of Egypt?

No... more like "it's a land that consumes its inhabitants."

Washington, DC

Not true. See here for sources of the stone.
http://www.jerusalemgardens.com/Stones/Sto...p?CategoryID=24

Here is the real Nes Kafe:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/melech/DSC00444.jpg

This coffee urn in Chevron stopped scores of bullets miraculously (only one went through, harmlessly) when the Arab murderers attacked the holy residents. Thank God He protected them.

Because of the many sins of the frummies, including not joining rebuilding Medinat Yisrael Reishit tzemichat Ge'ulateinu and leaving the work to the secular Jews, the frummies are relegated to political obscurity and must try to assert themselves any way they can. One such way, when they are not rioting, is meaningless demands for mehadrin lines. Once the frummies climb on board the rebuilding of Medinat Yisrael Reishit Tzemichat Ge'ulateinu, they will be able to make actual meaningful contributions other than mehadrin lines.

Remove the Latin and Greek and all the other foreign words from your pure English speech, and we'll talk. Chazal incorporated foreign words and even included them in sha's. So we're not better than Chazal. They are still a good goal to try to reach.


OK, you're right about that. But al ta'am ve'al rei'ach ein le-hitvakei'ach.

Hey, hey... lay off the שוקו!

Haven't Israelis heard of tankless combi boilers?! Ours is on all the time but only heats water when we need it. One of the few good European inventions if you ask me. And you never run out of hot water, and it runs the central heating too. Although if we were in Israel with a dud shemesh I'd turn the boiler off completely in summer

It is a waste of energy to heat a whole tank of water, but a tankless system isn't. (The only problem with combi boilers is that there's a limit on the flow rate; if you've got a big American house, most tankless systems won't cope. Also, American appliances often rely on the boiler to heat the water, while European ones are self-heating, so there's less demand on the boiler.)

As for nes... yes, it's very appropriately named... it's a miracle anyone drinks it

Oh come on, Chazal didn't make a lot of specious political and linguistic claims about their speech. It's hardly comparable.

I'm not claiming they did. I'm just pointing out that their Hebrew included many foreign words.

Of course, those words were originally part of the Hebrew language anyway, before they got lost in the other languages.

Read the book "How the Hebrew Language Grew." It claims the opposite. (I say that because English is a mix of pretty much all the languages in the world)

New York?

What's wrong with Jerusalem stone? I think it's pretty. And more welcoming than a city entirely made of glass and steel.

I did. It's probably the most infantile history of Hebrew ever written, period.


If you think it's pretty to have a city that looks like a rotting tooth...


Sorry, bubba, it takes a nice blizzard to seriously slow NY down.

Agreed.
But how is that a reason not to make aliya?

I would have called for the Israelis to return to the fleshpots of Egypt.


If I want to hear broken English I can go to Boro Park. At least there no one claims the language is that which Isaiah spoke.

1. That is not true. You can find some right here on h.com. And anywhere else.
2. You'd use as a reason against making aliya that claim? Because it may have been the language he spoke, generally, but not the language he used. (example of #1...)

Let me count them:

1. מוניות - what in the world is wrong with the taxis in this country? sometimes you can find out the state of the country by a good taxi driver:)
   
2. Shower Hoses - like pinchas, mine also can be stuck to the wall and you can have a very nice shower. we have the best pressure too:)
   
3. Waiting 1/2 hr for hot water - we have a shabbat timer around our dude so the entire winter we put it on a timer and we know pretty much when we shower and bath, so the timer is already working for us much before and so there is NO wait at all...
   
4. Egged's loopy, mapless, bus circuits - what circuits are you refering to? i really do not know...
   
5. מהדרין lines - fine, we definitely can do without that, but that is a reason not to move to israel? there are things that are not perfect about every single place in this world.
   
6. שוקו-a more disgusting chocolate product has yet to be invented. I don't care if it comes in plastic bags. - some ppl loooooove the fact that it comes in a bag, but i will agree with you with this one too. i find drinking out of a bag to be a little bit gross:)
   
7. נס-קפה - dont drink coffee, so i cant say anything about this one
   
8. Let's face it. Hebrew is just badly pronounced and rearranged English. (!רמקולים? שו הדא רמקולים? מייקרופונים) - lashon hakodesh, besides for words that have become hebrew from other languages, the language makes soooooooooooooooooooo much more sense than english does.
   
9. What kind of badly-run city shuts down from a little snow? - a city that is not used to snow? and whos complaining about that? families get to stay home and havbe family time and enjoy eachother and enjoy the bit of snow that comes maybe ones every loooong while (although the four years that i have been living here, it has snown twice:>)
   
10. I don't care what municipal regulations are, Jerusalem stone is cute, but not for an entire city. I hear it's imported from Canada anyway. - i think that it is the most beautiful site, coming into jerusalem, or any city or town or yishuv, wow, it takes my breath away (although i do miss wood:>)

just remember that no country is prefect (america is FAR from perfect in many many many ways) so..........and there are soooooooooooooooooooooooo many positives in living in this amazing country.

Are you talking about what in Israel they call a "Yunker"? I couldn't stand the thing.

I don't think so, isn't a "yunker" the thing with the oil tank? A combi boiler is a wall mounted (or in a cupboard) usually fired by gas. It runs all the hot water, and regular central heating with radiators. But it heats the water on-demand, so there's no storage tank, and you never run out of hot water.

Gabbe - you should know I'm holding back out of respect for Spot... and least your better half is spiritual enough to understand the beauty of Eretz Yisrael, Hashem's palace.

It may be Hashem's palace, but it's run by man...

Well yes and no.

Not a leaf falls by happenstance. You may think it's run by man but that's only because you have freedom of choice to believe that.

ok.....aaaaannnnnnnndddddd......................................your point??????

Baruch Hashem

Means that in the everyday realm, a country is only as good as the people in it/running it. You can over-romanticise Israel the same way you can run it down too much.

She actually agrees w/ everything except the shoko

I never understood why so many people like Shoko - I think it's gross.

It's funny how out of touch Charedim and Dat Leumi people are with upper-middle class Israeli society.

Your average Gush Dan White Israeli Chiloni has:

1. Normal showers (a shower head installed on the wall)
2. Hot water on demand ("Junkers")
3. Wood laminate floors
4. Regular instant coffee or a coffee/espresso maker
5. central heating and air conditioning

The list could go on.

The yunker is a big white box in a well ventilated area. When you want to take a shower, you press the botton on the yunker and it fires up a whole bunch of flames that heats the water as they go along pipes over the flames. It is gas powered.

no, it's not quite like that, this is a proper boiler that's on all the time and provides all the hot water and heating. (you can get tankless water heaters too). The only difference an American would see with a combi boiler is that the flow rate is lower, so you can't all take a shower at once.

BTW, avichozeh, I know ordinary middle class Israelis who don't have central heating, especially in the Gush Dan... you don't need it so often!

well, i will let you know that i am dati leumi, live nowhere near gush dan and have a normal shower head, central heating and if i drank coffee would have an instant coffee maker as well.
as for the hot water on demand, i already mentioned that i have a shabbat timer so we never dont have hot water.

A modern Junkers is what you are talking about. They do have them here. We heated with it our first winter here, but the bill was astronomical, so never again. The radiator heat is really nice, though with kids running around now it's not what I'd want, they'd hurt themselves touching it.

Gabbe is just making excuses because he knows the reasons to live in his homeland so far outway anything he can come up with (shoko? Please!).

Remember this Gabbe:



(Ask Spot about it )

Over here it's the most economical way, you set the heating part on a timer. Plus the new high-efficiency condensing boilers use less gas. The radiators here are designed so the hot part is covered up and kids can't hurt themselves on them.

TRA must have encountered some ancient system, because I love our combi and I'll be the first one to make fun of British plumbing! (Wall-mounted electric showers that give a pathetic stream of water...)

It would be nice except that that where I was was neither charedi, dati-leumi, and in fact middle-class.

Did they live in a big city by any chance? Or on a farm?

I dunno...what's Jerusalem?

Ha!

Next time stay in a modern city - like Ramat Beit Shemesh!

If you have to choose your cities, that's already a minus.
Anyway, for someone so hung up on "King's Palace," it's a bit hypocritical to diss J-m.

IIRC, it's basically constant (hence the huge gas bill). The radiators are on the wall, and the whole thing gets hot. In our shower, we have an InstantHot, which was the smartest thing ever. No more cold showers! We have our dud on a timer also, but with the Instant Hot you use less pre-hot water, and heat your own.

no way... Jerusalem is the only place to live.. not the American's desperate attempt to make israel a little USA

Ahh...but I'm giving advice to someone that would value gashmious over anything else... of course for someone that value ruchnious there is no place in the world that comes even close to Yerushalayim ayir hakodesh (except maybe Tzvat, Chevron, and possible Tevareyah). If you value ruchnious and put that as your top priority then you couldn't live anywhere but Yerushalayim... hot water or not...

But if you want to make Aliyah and still live in American cities (get a little Gashmious mixed in with the ruchnios) then there's always RBS...or Efrat.

Wrong. The junkers is always on (at least standby). The second you open any hot faucet in the house , it starts heating up the water and you have hot water flowing in seconds. You do not have to press any buttons. You just turn the hot water tap on as you would with American houses.

And you never use junkers for central heating. The cost is enormous. The right things to do is use the air conditioning system to heat the apartment. There are ways to prevent the air from being so dry.