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shaya_getzl
April 22, 1870 – January 21, 1924

mosheshmeal
If you're confused, see this thread.

mosheshmeal
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existwhere?
I take it back
int
Lenin vsegda zhivoy


Lenin vsegda so mnoy


shaya_getzl
Когда был Ленин маленьким
С кудрявой головой,
Он тоже бегал в валенках
По горке ледяной.




Когда был Ленин поваром
И ресторан держал,
Своим забавным говором
Буржуев потешал.

Когда был Ленин банщиком,
Имел он важный вид,
Но признан был обманщиком
И шайками побит...

Когда был Ленин барменом,
Порой, напившись пьян,
Поил целенаправленно
Рабочих и крестьян.

Когда был Ленин обнажён,
К нему вошёл печник.
Ильич сказал: "А ты пижон!"
...И выключил ночник!

Когда в Разливе Ленин был,
То спал он в шалаше,
А на досуге теребил
Своё папье-маше.

Когда был Ленин плотником,
Ища материал,
Ходил он по субботникам
И бревна воровал.

Margaux
Never heard of him..
Incidentally, has anyone else had to read "The death of Ivan Illych"?
int
QUOTE(Gretchen @ Apr 22 2007, 07:36 PM) [snapback]824436[/snapback]
Never heard of him..


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin
shaya_getzl
QUOTE(Gretchen @ Apr 22 2007, 07:36 PM) [snapback]824436[/snapback]
Incidentally, has anyone else had to read "The death of Ivan Illych"?

Never had to. But did read it. It's a great work.
Margaux
QUOTE(int @ Apr 22 2007, 07:38 PM) [snapback]824438[/snapback]



oh..of course.
Elana
happy birthday, dedushka Lenin!

i was so upset when i wasn't accepted into pioneers at the Lenin museum like the very best of us sad.gif

btw, does anyone still have pionerskiy galstuk?
int
QUOTE(Elana @ Apr 22 2007, 09:03 PM) [snapback]824487[/snapback]
happy birthday, dedushka Lenin!

i was so upset when i wasn't accepted into pioneers at the Lenin museum like the very best of us sad.gif

btw, does anyone still have pionerskiy galstuk?


I dunno what happened to mine...good question!
schiffschul
QUOTE(Elana @ Apr 23 2007, 02:03 AM) [snapback]824487[/snapback]
btw, does anyone still have pionerskiy galstuk?

They couldn't even come up with a Russian word for a 'Halstuch' or neckerchief!?
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"Communism is a limited creed, and its limitations are inevitable. If the original impulse is envy, malice, and hatred against someone who has something you have not got, you are inevitably limited by the whole impulse to which you owe the origin of your faith and movement. That initial emotion may be well founded, may be based on justice, on indignation against the vile treatment of the workers in the early days of the industrial revolution. But if you hold that creed, you carry within yourself your own prison walls, because any escape from that origin seems to lead towards the hated shape of the man who once had something you had not got; anything above or beyond yourself is bad. In reality, he may be far from being a higher form; he may be a most decadent product of an easy living which he was incapable of using even for self-development, an ignoble example of missed opportunity. But if the first impulse be envy and hatred of him, you are inhibited from any movement beyond yourself for fear of becoming like him, the man who had something which you had not got.
'Thus your ideal becomes not something beyond yourself, still less beyond anything which now exists, but rather, the petrified, fossilised shape of that section of the community which was most oppressed, suffering and limited by every material circumstance in the middle of the nineteenth century. The real urge is then to drag everything down toward the lowest level of life, rather than the attempt to raise everything towards the highest level of life which has yet been attained, and finally to move beyond even that. In all things this system of values seeks what is low instead of what is high."
Elana
QUOTE(int @ Apr 22 2007, 11:03 PM) [snapback]824559[/snapback]
I dunno what happened to mine...good question!


i remember we all (the whole class) signed each other's and i kept mine all the time till i was leaving here. i think i left it behind sad.gif

QUOTE(schiffschul @ Apr 23 2007, 08:03 AM) [snapback]824647[/snapback]
They couldn't even come up with a Russian word for a 'Halstuch'!?


waht language is that?
btw, just as yiddish couldn't come up with its own words for "dach", "kachka", etc.
schiffschul
QUOTE(Elana @ Apr 23 2007, 04:17 PM) [snapback]824725[/snapback]
waht language is that?
btw, just as yiddish couldn't come up with its own words for "dach", "kachka", etc.

'btw'? What 'btw'? There is life beyond Russian and Yiddish, you know...rolleyes.gif

It's German, 'btw', and the Yiddish I speak does not have to resort to Slavicisms.
Elana
QUOTE(schiffschul @ Apr 23 2007, 11:34 AM) [snapback]824733[/snapback]
There is life beyond Russian and Yiddish, you know...rolleyes.gif


oh, sure, there is also ukrainian! why, are there any other languages? unsure.gif

i took an example from yiddish, because i'm not familiar with any other languages, so can't discuss it. however, i'm pretty sure, there are words in many languages that originally came from another. i find it many times when i want to say something, and know a russian word, there is an english word, which spelling varies a bit, but is spelled similar enough for me to find it when spellcheck it in word.

btw, "btw" is "by the way", as, i'm sure, you know.
int
QUOTE(schiffschul @ Apr 23 2007, 11:34 AM) [snapback]824733[/snapback]
'btw'? What 'btw'? There is life beyond Russian and Yiddish, you know...rolleyes.gif

It's German, 'btw', and the Yiddish I speak does not have to resort to Slavicisms.


Hey are you a slavic-hater or something?
mat`
QUOTE(schiffschul @ Apr 23 2007, 08:03 AM) [snapback]824647[/snapback]
They couldn't even come up with a Russian word for a 'Halstuch' or neckerchief!?

why the surprise, didn't it all start in Germany anyway?
mat`
QUOTE(schiffschul @ Apr 23 2007, 11:34 AM) [snapback]824733[/snapback]
It's German, 'btw', and the Yiddish I speak does not have to resort to Slavicisms.

Just out of curiosity, how is your Yidish different from "regular" German?
Elana
QUOTE(mat` @ Apr 23 2007, 12:52 PM) [snapback]824777[/snapback]
Just out of curiosity, how is your Yidish different from "regular" German?


i'm as far from yiddish as one can be, but, from i know, yiddish "picked up" local words. well, that's why i know only of ukrainian ones.
YBS
QUOTE(Elana @ Apr 23 2007, 11:17 AM) [snapback]824725[/snapback]
btw, just as yiddish couldn't come up with its own words for "dach", "kachka", etc.

While speaking of neckties, "yiddish" word for a necktie is kravat. Now, where's that coming from? wink.gif

QUOTE(schiffschul @ Apr 23 2007, 11:34 AM) [snapback]824733[/snapback]
and the Yiddish I speak does not have to resort to Slavicisms.

mat` has asked a good question.
schiffschul
QUOTE(YBS @ Apr 24 2007, 01:01 AM) [snapback]824997[/snapback]
While speaking of neckties, "yiddish" word for a necktie is kravat. Now, where's that coming from? wink.gif
From the German 'Krawatte', via the French 'cravat', a corrupt pronunciation of the word 'Croat' and not the Croat word for the item.
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mat` has asked a good question.
Has he? Or has he only shown his ignorance about the language?
http://www.hashkafah.com/index.php?showtopic=33964&hl=
Western Yiddish
Elana
QUOTE(YBS @ Apr 23 2007, 08:01 PM) [snapback]824997[/snapback]
While speaking of neckties, "yiddish" word for a necktie is kravat. Now, where's that coming from? wink.gif


you got it. i'm sure there are many more.

QUOTE(schiffschul @ Apr 24 2007, 12:55 PM) [snapback]825369[/snapback]
From the German 'Kravatte', via the French 'cravat', a corrupt pronunciation of the word 'Croat' and not the Croat word for the item.


no kidding. how do you know that it's the ukrainians who borrowed it from germans and not vice versa?

OT: does anyone else from the old country remember the times when it was rumored that one can be stopped on a street (right before or after ukrainian independence) and asked what "galstuk", "fortochka" and something else are in ukrainian?
sapphire
QUOTE(schiffschul @ Apr 24 2007, 05:55 PM) [snapback]825369[/snapback]
From the German 'Kravatte', via the French 'cravat', a corrupt pronunciation of the word 'Croat' and not the Croat word for the item.
Has he? Or has he only shown his ignorance about the language?

Germanic languages are a group unto themselves so the German would be the original root to the word. The French word itself is often used in English aswel.
shaya_getzl
QUOTE(Elana @ Apr 24 2007, 01:04 PM) [snapback]825376[/snapback]
OT: does anyone else from the old country remember the times when it was rumored that one can be stopped on a street (right before or after ukrainian independence) and asked what "galstuk", "fortochka" and something else are in ukrainian?


Parasol'ka ;-)
Elana
QUOTE(shaya_getzl @ Apr 24 2007, 02:59 PM) [snapback]825473[/snapback]
Parasol'ka ;-)


wow, great memory biggrin.gif
err
QUOTE(Elana @ Apr 24 2007, 01:04 PM) [snapback]825376[/snapback]
no kidding. how do you know that it's the ukrainians who borrowed it from germans and not vice versa?
With modern languages it's usually easy to figure out where borrowed words come from. With this example, one would look for when a word first appears in Ukrainian vs. German. There is also a historical precedent for Slavic languages to borrow vocabulary from German. I can give you one easy example from Czech is cihla, which comes from Ziegel (brick).
Elana
QUOTE(err @ Apr 24 2007, 03:10 PM) [snapback]825487[/snapback]
With this example, one would look for when a word first appears in Ukrainian vs. German.


how do you find that out?
how old is german?
schiffschul
QUOTE(Elana @ Apr 24 2007, 08:29 PM) [snapback]825507[/snapback]
how old is german?
Pretty old...
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The history of the language begins with the High German consonant shift during the Migration period, separating South Germanic dialects from common West Germanic. The earliest testimonies of Old High German are from scattered Elder Futhark inscriptions, especially in Alemannic, from the 6th century, the earliest glosses (Abrogans) date to the 8th and the oldest coherent texts (the Hildebrandslied, the Muspilli and the Merseburg Incantations) to the 9th century.

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One of the key difficulties tracing the origin of the Ukrainian language is due to the fact that firm evidence for the existence of Ukrainian language in its modern form only goes as far as 17th century. The language itself must have formed earlier, but there are differing opinions as to the exact circumstances and timeframe of its creation.

schiffschul
QUOTE(Elana @ Apr 24 2007, 06:04 PM) [snapback]825376[/snapback]
no kidding. how do you know that it's the ukrainians who borrowed it from germans and not vice versa?

Er... because 'cravats' were already part of civilised Western European attire at a time when Ukrainians still preferred the rough'n'ready "fur and animal skins' look?
err
QUOTE(Elana @ Apr 24 2007, 03:29 PM) [snapback]825507[/snapback]
how do you find that out?
how old is german?
Scholarly dictionaries will usually indicate the first known literary usage of a word. Besides, schiffschul is right, neckties weren't introduced into the Ukraine until many years after they were standard attire in Western/Central Europe.
Moshi
QUOTE(Elana @ Apr 24 2007, 01:04 PM) [snapback]825376[/snapback]
OT: does anyone else from the old country remember the times when it was rumored that one can be stopped on a street (right before or after ukrainian independence) and asked what "galstuk", "fortochka" and something else are in ukrainian?


Oh yes. I remember that very well. Rumours of some planned anti-Jewish pogroms from the Ukrainian nationalists ("Rukh") were also going around then. 1989 or 1990 or so. People were nervous. I'm 99% sure that these crazy rumours were started by the KGB in order to make people distrust the Ukrainian nationalist movement. Or maybe I'm giving the KGB too much credit. But it certainly made people wonder.
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