OK - Chol Hamoed is a busy time, but we figured a meet right after Sukkos will be fun.

So we will IY"H be having a meet on Sunday, October 7, around lunch time.
It'll be an outdoor one, as the weather seems like it will be nice, and kids are invited.
It'll probably be female only, as sitting on the park ground and playing with kids is a more female-y type of thing, and a number of people are more comfortable with that.

Soooo - if you are female and would like more details, please PM me.

That is an extremely unenlightened statement


A number greater than the number of people who are UNcomfortable with that???

Yea, why not just call (or PM) the 3 people that fit the criteria if you want to have a ultra-exclusive meet?

Oh and let me use this opportunity to call a meet for males, between ages of 25 and 30, who have black hair and brown eyes, are between 5'5 and 5'10, have a college degree, work in the financial industry, like chess and trance music, and have a license plate that starts with "BE". Due to the large amount of anticipated attendees, please PM me before, so I will know how many seats to reserve in the restaurant.

I almost made it, I got eliminated at 'trance music'

with your avatar you can easily pass as a kid

Why didn't you post this in an all-female section of the boarsd?

1) Not all females have access to those forums.
2) No most males don't have access to them, and that'd be no fun. What's a meet without jealous dudes who aren't invited sitting at home and moping or perhaps coming to the meet and lurking?

there is an all-female section of this forum?

No such thing. Hackerz penetrate all.

Yeah. Hence my post.

why? why? why? whyyyyyy is it on this day at that time?

Is there a date and time that is better for you?
I'd like to meet you.

I'm hoping this will be a good oppurtunity for us to meet some females we haven't met before. Perhaps newcomers to the site? If, we find that there was no point in posting this on the regular board, than the future all-women's meets will only be posted privately.

Paging Melech! Paging Melech!!!!

What's everybody getting so bent out of shape:

LTL didn't "uninvite" males, she was just assuming they wouldn't be interested so chill all...

That's NOT what she said....
I can see how you can come to such a conclusion based on the beginning of her statement but it is clear by the end that there are no dudes allowed....

nor dudettes without kids! For shame!

That's not mashma either.

Kids are WELCOME but not mandatory, Dudes are NOT invited....

Okay so I'm volonteering to be a "mommy" for anyone who wants to come to the meet.

Just this upcoming Sunday afternoon is not a good time for me. You should still have the meet (even if I can't come) but maybe we could arrange another all-girl meet where I'll be able to attend.

LOL that reminds me of one time in High School I was in a Bar in the city and they asked us how old we were, so we all said 21, 22, 24 etc. and my not so bright friend says 18. So the waitress looks at him with amazement and says, Uh you realize you have to be 21 to drink. So without missing a beat my friend turns to me and says "Daddy, can you buy me a beer?" The waitress was so amused she actually brought it.....

Thanks greentiger. .

Look folks, you all know that I could not care less if there were males at a meet. I go to meets with people of all sexes, age, sizes, religions, etc. Just knowing the comfort levels of some of the female members, and the type of meet it would be (not majorly exciting in a restaurant, but on some park ground with babies running around), I figured that more females would show up to an event like this if it was ONLY for females, than males if it was for anyone. I put the word probably, and posted it on the main board, in case I got a large interest from the male population, in which case, opening it up to males might be reconsidered. From the way it looks, the only male that has spoken up about it that would even possibly make it there is int. I'm not sure what Psycho and K-Rebbe's issues are since there's quite a large possibility that neither of them with even consider going, wanted or not. I guess any opportunity to jump down people's throats are welcome here.

Hope I cleared the air somewhat.

I disagree... I guess we shall see...

Do we have to get on our knees and beg??? Say pretty please with sugar on top? Thanks, but I have better things to do than be "reconsidered" by a bunch of H.com mommies....


No, I'm afraid I am not going to fly to NY to play with some kids in a park, it is the principle of the thing that made me respond. That and the fact that I MIGHT have been interested had I been in the same hemisphere, but you unilaterally decided that I and the rest of my gender aren't so I never got the opportunity to make that choice...


Not at all, you merely clarified that you meant exactly what I thought you did.....

I didn't really care. I just thought it would be a funny idea to respond angrily. Sounds like a good idea for a meet.

You realize that I probably have a better feel of females who are only comfortable going to female meets than you do, right?Wow, you sound really insulted. I don't get why, there are plenty of meets that anyone and everyone are invited to, why do you care that this is one meet that we prefer to be kept female-only. I think unilaterally might be a little bit strong.OK.Oh. LOL. BTW, are you ever in New York?

Yep, 3 times this past year. I tried to make a meet once, didn't work out so well. Seems people don't like going in to the city.
A good idea for a meet with kids is the children's museum btw. That place is awesome.

look who's talking.

Perhaps, but how many such females are there? 2, 3, MAYBE 4? How many of those said females can and WILL attend? How many males MAY have attended had it been open to them? And who says that the feelings of THOSE females are more important than the feelings of those being excluded?

If there were a significant number of such females, and a small number of such males you would be correct. But in this case I don't think the numbers justify making a girls only meet.


I don't like elitism or exclusivity. I don't like elite forums and I don't like exclusive meets. And IF you insist on making them, DON'T advertise where the chumps deemed not worthy of attending will see it, and then try to convince yourselves that "We wouldn't be interested in coming anyway".... It's like putting a sign on your clubhouse "girls only, no boys allowed". It is petty and immature, UNLESS you really do maintain that mixed meets are halachichally questionable and wouldn't feel comfortable attending them. But we all know that is not the case with the exception of a small number of H.commers many of which probably can't/won't come anyway.

You can do whatever you want, as you said, I am not coming in any event, and I am not "really insulted" but I find the whole "girls only" thing in general to be QUITE annoying. ESPECIALLY when it is justified by saying that it is for OUR benefit that you exclude us...

And people call ME sexist

Politico, you shouldn't be insulted. You're invited .
Have you ever been to a meet?

i'm not.

i don't attend gender-segregated events.

no.

Next time you're around, let us know. We like the city. Which children's museum are you talking about? The truth is outdoors is nicer if it's nice weather, but it's good to know some indoor places too.
OK, I still do think the numbers justify. I can think of 6 females, just off the top of my head, that would only be interested in a female-only meet, possibly more. I guess you're right, we'll have to wait and see. There hasn't been an explosion of male interest in meets of late... besides for when you were in town, the last bunches of meets were initiated by women.


I agree with some of what you write. There are definitely times and places where having seperate events is stupid. But there are also some times when it actually is appropriate. Nothing to do with exclusive and elite. And not to be petty and immature. But there is a certain atmosphere that you have when something is one-gender as opposed to co-ed. I never said it was to YOUR benefit, just that I didn't think it would interest you anyway. Which I still stand by, BTW. Think shopping mall trip with a lot of girl talk and giggliness. I wonder if this would bother you so much if you (and the board in general) wasn't frum. If this was a college bulletin board where I posted 'girls' get-together this Monday' would it still irk you so much? Why is it that you find things that are 'girls only' to be QUITE annoying?


You've never been to any female-only event?

Why not?

not in a very, very long time.

it's just not the kind of thing i do.

Interesting.

Why not? What about a meet is not 'your thing'?

Which in itself I find very insulting and condescending. If you don't want ME there, that is fine and your prerogative. But don't have the audacity to tell me what I do and don't want and make decisions FOR me based on that assumption. You MAY be right, but it is still NOT your decision to make and rude to do so IMHO.


It would bother me MUCH more. At least with frum people I can dan l'chaf zechus that there are frumkeit considerations at play here, as well as the general uneasiness between members of the opposite sex who are used to being separated. But in the secular world there is NO good excuse for such a thing...

Why would girls WANT to have an event with no men present (for reasons other than modesty)? How would MY presence (in terms of my maleness, not ME personally) in any way detract from the event? Answer that and you will understand why it upsets me...

What if it were a "whites only" get together? or an "Ashkenazi only" get together? What about a sign "No Jews or Dogs"? Would you still defend it so eagerly?? It is one thing to plan an event with a certain demographic in mind, but quite another to EXCLUDE others who may express interest in participating....

annoying questions, mostly.

Yes, but as long as they think you're me, you're not getting in. Sorry.

You can fix this, by going to the meet.


It's the 3 H's rule:

Hackerz, Husbandz and Homoz.


I'm sorry, it still hurts.




You sure about that?

mosheshmeal
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You're my hero!

And LTL - stop picking on K-Rebbe all the time.

Omg, Pinchas ♥'s KR!

mosheshmeal
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not surprising at all

Well apparently you and ms were taken.

ETA: Wait...that makes look bad too... I can't do this at 4 in the morning

Heh.

Why is it rude, audacious, and making decisions for you to infer that male and females are different and often have different interests? Just because modern society yells about equality and how men and women are the same in all areas, won't most people agree that there are ceratin things that men enjoy more and certain things that women enjoy more? Would you be as upset if there was some all-guys poker game or beerfest going on? I certainly wouldn't feel left out by not being invited.

Is your issue the fact that there is a women's only meet to begin with or the fact that I dared to write that a kiddie-friendly park meet is probably more of a women's meet?



K - do you really thing there is never a time or place to have things that are all female or all male? Have you ever heard of seperated SORORITY or FRATERNITY parties? OMG!! How could the secular world DARE seperate guys and girls?!



Maybe it's different for guys, but I know that there's a difference in the atmosphere for many girls if there are guys around or not. It's not as relaxed and 'be yourself' as an all-women's event is. I personally am comfortable in either situation, but I can understand those who are not comfortable in a co-ed environment. Also, some girls b'shita don't feel comfortable going to a co-ed event. It's not their 'thing' to spend time hanging out with guys who they aren't dating or married to.



K - I think you are blowing this WAY out of porportion by comparing a women's only event, which is QUITE common in frum circles, to one where they don't accept Jews. By making an event co-ed - which BTW - a VAST majority of our meets are, we are EXCLUDING some who don't feel comfortable going to anything but an all women's meet. Why don't those people matter to you at all?

BTW, in case you are interested, I dug up an old thread about a meet for only guys which you might be interested in bashing as well. Maybe you were MIA then, but here's your chance to talk about how unfair it is to only invite guys to a meet.



You mean you don't want to deal with annoying questions being asked to you, right.

Really??? Ever heard of Girls Night Out? It happens all the time in the secular world. It's no big deal... and the men do it all the time too (golf, poker, etc...)

Wow! That is really not the same thing at all. To compare what LTL was trying to plan with a "No Jews or Dogs" sign is a very far reach indeed.

Thank you! A voice of logic! I really do think that some of the animosity of K's female-only ideas stem from an animosity toward a culture which over-segregates genders, to a big fault. But really, if he'd take a step back, he'd realize this particular meet is really not a big deal.

No problem.... I personally don't think this is such a big deal, after all, this is just one event, and it sounds like most of them are co-ed. The men I know in the secular world would be more than happy to stay away from all female events, and would rather do their own thing with the boys. This vocal opposition really does surprise me. While I personally don't generally go to all female events, I can certainly understand the reason for one in this circumstance, for people who are frum. That would never be my concern personally, but I can still understand why it would be for some here.

The funniest part of the OP was the way you tried to convince everyone that is was girly. Just tell everyone you are going to meet at the vagaygay monologues.

Did you expect people not to be offended? Sheesh.

Children (boys), grow up.