Now that I've got your attention, direct your eyes to this picture. It's a (sorry, crummy) Photoshopped version of what I see yeshivish girls/women wearing like everywhere I look these days. Black top, knee-length black skirt, black flats, and flesh-colored hose. And you know what the effect is? To draw your eyes right to these women's calves and ankles. Yep, real tznius. (Sort of like my avatar. Except that I'd never wear IRL what my avatar is wearing.)

You forgot about all the jewelry... And her makeup is much too subtle.

I call this the "Maalot Dafna" look..

I don't like it either...

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This is great! Such tznius posts!

Well, that was fun.

I like how you edited my post, psycho

It disappeared as I was quoting it so I had to go with what I rememebered
Btw...that woman is better looking than 99% of yeshivish girls. So it's hard to imagine yeshivish girls when you look at that picture

That's because I had ESP with Goldfish and got my question answered. And I liked your edit

I've dated girls like that.

My point is that people need to wake up and realize that there's no way to legislate tznius a la Rabbi Falk. For every person's individual body there is a different standard and every girl has to decide for herself what will make her look the most tznius (while obviously covering all the bases; I'm not advocating that girls can decide that they look tznius in a mini-skirt).

But then she'll end up in a burka

I thought every girl had to have an aidel maidel friend who would tell her objectively if what she is wearing is appropriate and we can't make these decisions on our own. R. Falk discusses this on pages 84 ff.

This is actually 3 different people -- the face/top is one, the skirt is a second, and the legs are a third.

Anyway, she's (they're) a model. Models are chosen because they're better looking than the general population.

PS, I don't necessarily agree, but I'm not a guy so what do I know?

You need to get out a little more.

That's why you're not meant to wear dorchzichtige shtrimpf.

mosheshmeal
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Yeah just take a walk through "Little America" in Jerusalem on Shabbos.....

You are truly a treasure.

I was thinking 402 bus.

What's that?

I am not sure where this conversation is going but- don't you mess with Rabbi Falk shlita! If Americans can't handle it, that's ok (whatever) but please don't knock it.
But your point is valid- every person has a different body so what is really fine on one person may not be on another. (and BTW, Rabbi Falk mentions that as well.)

Goldie, are you gonna take that from a n00b???

It's ok? No! It's not ok! They'll all burn in he'yell!

mosheshmeal
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luckily i have one of those, even though i don't necessarily always listen to her.

It's not worth responding to. Let this person stick around and s/he'll get plenty more Falk-dissing for his/her money.

IMO, the girl in the photo looks fine. My eyes aren't drawn to her calves/ankles.....

he said it- not me.

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The topic is called 'Yeshivish Girls Are Not Tznius' and you are contributing to the conversation by telling people where to find yeshivish girls.

Ahem. I wonder whom you're referring to!

Obviously NOT you...

me

everyone knows that people from brooklyn have superior fashion sense...

See-through pantyhose.

Goldfish, what do you suggest one do differently from the photosopped girl? Is it the all-black that's the problem? Other colors/patterns could also emphasize the legs or other areas in a manner you might not consider tznius.

Other than the fact that all black is a little lame (though I, too, am guilty of this-- it's a lot easier than matching a colored top and skirt), the outfit is tznius and pretty conservative.

You are absolutely right. If the woman in the picture would not be wearing clothing, nobody would be looking at her calves & ankles.


Models are chosen because they're skinnier than the general population.

As to the point of the OP, I can see how the dark surrounding colors might add a bit of contrast, but if she switched to black hose, you'd have to complain that she's drawing attention to her face. I.e., Ein l'davar sof. The other solution, of course, is to say that women should only be allowed to wear white clothing, or can only wear colors that clash. I don't think that would be a good idea. Of course, we can't be sure because you haven't showed us any alternatives. We need more pictures of models in various outfits to make an informed decision.

I am thinking that modest squad should catch to her and amputize her legs above the young cow.

The 402 bus goes to Bnei Brak where they held the Yeshivish Tznius convention. And you are right this topic (and possible half or more of the topics on H.com are indeed not Tznius. Rav Falk would likely posken Hashkafah.com is asser if anyone showed him it.)

Another fantasy destroyed.

Is it possible to edit the title so that it doesn't include motzei shem ra?

yeah, mods, or loshen hara?

Precisely. When you see these people they look like black blobs on legs. Your eyes are drawn right to that one bit of color.


But there's nothing wrong with drawing your eyes to someone's face. That's precisely where your attention should be. Last year the in thing was to wear black hose; I don't know why it got changed to flesh/nude.


That's only been my argument this whole time.


No, the solution, as I already said is that every woman needs to decide for herself what's the most tznius and not to rely on a particular style or color. The more uniform everyone is, the more things stick out when they deviate from the norm and that's not tznius. But if everyone is wearing different colors and styles, nothing sticks out because everything is the norm.

I was looking at sem pictures last night and I was struck by how this is the way it used to be -- people were wearing a few different types of skirts and tops in all different colors and patterns. Everyone looked just as tznius as they do now and they didn't look like they were going to a funeral.

Oh no no we're "from Brooklyn" are we


Uhhh dude...

ok, come up with a better title

Just make it a question, not a statement.
Is this type of dress tzniusdik?

I thought that now it's only allowed to shop at stores with a "tznius hashgacha."
(I really shouldn't get myself started.)

Good point. But in my humble opinion, there's still a place for the eidel maidel friend even if you only shop at OPS-approved stores.

So clothes purchased at non "tznius hashgacha" approved stores renders your clothing treif...I see now.

You missed it. IIRC, this was a result of the "Tznius Conference for Men about Women."