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unowho

Does anyone know of any good ways to invest money and actually make some profit each year without any risk? The banks that I am dealing with will give 5% on the money at max, does anyone know of any ways of making 10 or 15% of a return each year?

Thanks,
unowho
Pure Myrrh
QUOTE(unowho @ Nov 8 2007, 12:12 PM) *
Does anyone know of any good ways to invest money and actually make some profit each year without any risk? The banks that I am dealing with will give 5% on the money at max, does anyone know of any ways of making 10 or 15% of a return each year?

Thanks,
unowho

Is this a joke?
unowho
QUOTE(Pure Myrrh @ Nov 8 2007, 12:18 PM) *
Is this a joke?

No, quite serious actually.
krumlikeapretzel
QUOTE(krumlikeapretzel @ Nov 7 2007, 09:50 AM) *
I recommend you invest in a 1"x1" piece of the Baba Tzali's (ZY'A) glima for $5,000 since it's a unique item, and a segulah for parnasah that will pay for itself. If you're interested I'll give you the address of my e-bay store.
brianna
Either spend a couple of years becoming an expert on investing or hire an independent financial adviser to do the work for you if you have a decent chunk of change.

A few things to keep in mind:

1. It is a much better strategy to get rich slowly than to get rich quick.
2. If something sounds to good to be true, it definitely is.
3. Interest rates are pretty low right now.
4. Holiday consumer spending is projected to be dismal.
5. Commodities like oil and gold are going through the roof.
6. Annuities are never a good investment no matter how good the ads make them sound.
7. There is a huge lack of liquidity in the market due to the recent housing bust.

I could go on for a while. Those are some real basics. If you aren't interested in spending an hour or two a day keeping your finger on the pulse of the economy (and that's after you learn the ropes), just hire someone. And I said independent before because an adviser who isn't independent will just be a salesman looking to line his pockets with commissions instead of working for you.
The Rabbi
Send all your money to me and I will guarantee a 15% profit with absolutely zero risk.
Psychodad
Whatddya know, The Rabbi is FDIC insured.
Pure Myrrh
QUOTE(The Rabbi @ Nov 8 2007, 01:11 PM) *
Send all your money to me and I will guarantee a 15% profit with absolutely zero risk.

There is no such thing as an investment with zero risk.
krumlikeapretzel
QUOTE(Pure Myrrh @ Nov 8 2007, 12:18 PM) *
There is no such thing as an investment with zero risk.
Invest in my mutual fund and you'll find out otherwise.

Nechama
QUOTE(Pure Myrrh @ Nov 8 2007, 01:18 PM) *
There is no such thing as an investment with zero risk.

sure, what about investing a computer printer that prints dollar bills?

Oh wait, that has risks of being arrested for counterfeiting. Then again, this plan is about as realistic as....
Pure Myrrh
QUOTE(Nechama @ Nov 8 2007, 01:21 PM) *
sure, what about investing a computer printer that prints dollar bills?

Oh wait, that has risks of being arrested for counterfeiting

As well as the risk of the printer malfunctioning, the US changing the dollar bill design and cancelling current designs, the US dollar losing all value due to some odd reason, the possibility that they will stop making ink cartridges for that printer model, inability to get more paper, loss of electrical service to the entire planet, etc.

Note that while most of these risk are negligible, they are not zero risk.
Psychodad
QUOTE(krumlikeapretzel @ Nov 8 2007, 01:20 PM) *
Invest in my mutual fund and you'll find out otherwise.

nice pickup line
Milton
QUOTE(krumlikeapretzel @ Nov 8 2007, 01:20 PM) *
Invest in my mutual fund and you'll find out otherwise.

Your post belongs in Bull Session.
The Rabbi
QUOTE(Pure Myrrh @ Nov 8 2007, 12:18 PM) *
There is no such thing as an investment with zero risk.


I suppose I could go to jail. But they'd have to find me first.
Pure Myrrh
QUOTE(The Rabbi @ Nov 8 2007, 02:25 PM) *
I suppose I could go to jail. But they'd have to find me first.

I repeat. There is no such thing as an investment that has zero risk. If Hashem would open up a banking & investing branch, that would be different. Short of that, impossible.
shaya_getzl
Every formula in economics refers to riskless rate of return. T-Bills should be considered riskless because in the event of default on T-Bills you'll have bigger things to worry then your bank account.
The Rabbi
QUOTE(Pure Myrrh @ Nov 8 2007, 01:33 PM) *
I repeat. There is no such thing as an investment that has zero risk. If Hashem would open up a banking & investing branch, that would be different. Short of that, impossible.


Not true.
If the OP sends me his money I will guarantee beyond the shadow of a doubt what his return will be. No risk at all.
Pure Myrrh
QUOTE(The Rabbi @ Nov 8 2007, 04:22 PM) *
Not true.
If the OP sends me his money I will guarantee beyond the shadow of a doubt what his return will be. No risk at all.

I'm not sure why I have to explain this, but

1) While you trust yourself, what basis does he have to trust you?
2) What if C"V something unexpected happens to you? How do you know what tomorrow holds? So many things can happen.
Pure Myrrh
QUOTE(shaya_getzl @ Nov 8 2007, 04:14 PM) *
Every formula in economics refers to riskless rate of return. T-Bills should be considered riskless because in the event of default on T-Bills you'll have bigger things to worry then your bank account.

You can consider T-Bills to be "riskless" but in fact they are not. And that's without considering inflation.
The Rabbi
QUOTE(Pure Myrrh @ Nov 8 2007, 04:14 PM) *
I'm not sure why I have to explain this, but

1) While you trust yourself, what basis does he have to trust you?
2) What if C"V something unexpected happens to you? How do you know what tomorrow holds? So many things can happen.


I am so sure I can guarantee his return I will put it in writing. Even HaShem couldn't guarantee better....
Nooch
QUOTE(The Rabbi @ Nov 8 2007, 04:22 PM) *
Not true.
If the OP sends me his money I will guarantee beyond the shadow of a doubt what his return will be. No risk at all.

The OP wants both the principal and its interest.
The Rabbi
QUOTE(Nooch @ Nov 8 2007, 04:30 PM) *
The OP wants both the principal and its interest.


You mean he wants money back? That's a little harder.

There is no risk-free investment. There are few investments that yield 10-15% either. His best investment is going to be a library card which he can use to borrow books on investing, esp Graham's Intelligent Investor. That's pretty well risk free....
Pure Myrrh
QUOTE(The Rabbi @ Nov 8 2007, 05:56 PM) *
You mean he wants money back? That's a little harder.

There is no risk-free investment. There are few investments that yield 10-15% either. His best investment is going to be a library card which he can use to borrow books on investing, esp Graham's Intelligent Investor. That's pretty well risk free....

Are you nuts? Think of all the germs and diseases he could get from library books! That's a real risk.
shaya_getzl
QUOTE(unowho @ Nov 8 2007, 01:12 PM) *
Does anyone know of any good ways to invest money and actually make some profit each year without any risk? The banks that I am dealing with will give 5% on the money at max, does anyone know of any ways of making 10 or 15% of a return each year?

Thanks,
unowho


A serious amount of money can be made to yield 10-20% a year with relatively low risk by a combination of mutually augmenting instruments. But you have to work with $200-$300k or more, as it's time consuming and transaction costs can be substantial.
Goldfish
QUOTE(shaya_getzl @ Nov 8 2007, 06:22 PM) *
A serious amount of money can be made to yield 10-20% a year with relatively low risk by a combination of mutually augmenting instruments. But you have to work with $200-$300k or more, as it's time consuming and transaction costs can be substantial.

Really? It wouldn't work with only $150K?
shaya_getzl
QUOTE(Goldfish @ Nov 8 2007, 08:14 PM) *
Really? It wouldn't work with only $150K?


Do you know what "transaction costs" means ?
Goldfish
QUOTE(shaya_getzl @ Nov 8 2007, 09:00 PM) *
Do you know what "transaction costs" means ?

No.
unowho
QUOTE(shaya_getzl @ Nov 8 2007, 06:22 PM) *
A serious amount of money can be made to yield 10-20% a year with relatively low risk by a combination of mutually augmenting instruments. But you have to work with $200-$300k or more, as it's time consuming and transaction costs can be substantial.

Sounds interesting. Can you please explain further?
shaya_getzl
QUOTE(unowho @ Nov 8 2007, 11:46 PM) *
Sounds interesting. Can you please explain further?

You'll have to learn about volatility, currency exchange and many other things before you can project your views of the markets into a steady, highly probable lower digits return. The most dangerous thing on that road is that you will also learn how to yield a less steady and less probable but much higher return (60-90% isn't impossible but is of course a much riskier proposition). If you won't let yourself stray away, you should be safe and steady.
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