prays with a minyan three times daily? Would your opinion change if she were single or married?

According to a footnote in the Rigshei Lev, it could arguably be a breach of tzniut standards.

Is he saying it's only a breach if she goes 3 times a day, or ever?

But anyway, I purposefully used the word "you."

If I recall correctly, the issue is drawing attention to oneself by going at all during the week. If I remember and have a chance and am able, b'n I'll scan it by noon tomorrow.

how in the world does she have time for this??

I think it highly depends on the circumstances.

I could either think it's highly bizarre, bordering on yuhara (am I using this word right?), or it could be a nice thing.

Let's take a weekday example:

I mentioned recently that there's a mincha minyan in my office building. If I would try to insist that they accommodate me I don't know how well it would go over so I'd suspect that a woman that did insist was acting a little selfishly.

On the other hand, if you worked in a really Jewish hospital and there was an actual shul/chapel, then it wouldn't be a big deal at all.

As Goldfish already mentioned: maybe she works at an office or institution where there're daily minyanim.

I actually once heard somebody make a comment that single women shouldn't go to Synagogue (on Shabbat!); only married ones should go w/ their husbands.

I think if this individual was davening in an Orthodox shul she'd probably get the title of MO.

Even if she dresses according to the hilchot in R'Falk's book?

ah, i thought of a shul setting. if her schedule permits and she wants it, why not? she might not feel comfortable being the only woman there, but if she doesn't care, why would anyone else?

(when i was in moscow for the interview in the american embassy, before coming here, i had to unexpectedly stay there for shabbos. i didn't plan on it (was supposed to go back in wednesday or thursday) so, i needed to do something with shabbos. i called the main shul, but all the shluchim and the rav were in camps (it was summer). i went to some store near the shul, and was standing there debating what variation from these - candles, challos, juice, some food - i should get (didn't take enough money cause didn't plan on this extended visit, plus there were diferent currencies by then) the store guy saw that and told me to get grape juice, challos, candles and some food, and told me i can put the money in the pushka in my shul when i come back home. i was so thankful and happy that i went to the adjacent shul right away (they had a minyan there) and davened. i was the only woman there, and it did feel weird, but i didn't care)

While I know that "traditionally" (e.g. in the Maghreb, Levant, Iberia, and the "shetl"), women didn't go to the esnoga much, but as our culture's evolved over the past hundred or so years and halachically observant women have started making the esnoga a part of their ritual lives, I don't really understand why people find it so odd that a woman may want to pray with a minyan. Granted, she's not required to, but maybe she likes being able to hear the entire service.

Having said that, the only time I ask my FI to be at the esnoga is for the hazarah of mousaf.

Agreed. However, even with a shul, it would depend. We were on vacation once and Hubby and I had a few hours in the morning between our arrival and when we could arrive at our hosts' house. Since Hubby hadn't davened yet, we found a local shul and went in. Very uncomfortable. I was the only woman in the entire building. Plus, men had taken over the women's section (and all other rooms) for learning. Nice for them but left me with no where to even sit (much less daven). Point being that a woman who insisted on davening at that shul would displace people who are already there. Not to mention calling a LOT of attention to herself.



That's absurd! How are they going to check out cute guys if they don't know who isn't wearing a tallis yet?



Beautiful story

Can you [not necessarily you, specifically, sle123] think of some compelling reasons why that would be and share them with us, please?

Makes me wonder how the Mizrahim, Oberlanders, and Sepharadim who pray with (non-Yekke) Ashkenazim are supposed to identify themselves as single... Seriously, that was one of those things I had to get used to when I first started praying in Ashkenazi congregations. It took me a while to figure out why everyone assumed I was married.

Plenty of women in C.H. daven in shuls that have a women’s section. Every day and Shabbos. Certainly when it’s a fast day (with slichos), or a day with kriah.

LOL

Reminds me of something that happened when Hubby and I first started dating. I went to his shul on shabbos morning and was shocked to see him wearing a tallis. Totally couldn't concentrate on davening. Wondering if he was divorced (reasonable) or already had a wife (completely unreasonable) just ate me up until the kiddush when I stormed over to him and demanded to know what he was hiding. (Before you ask, I already knew he wasn't Mizrahi, etc. and (to confirm) his older brother was not wearing a tallis.)

Turns out that that shul has a custom that following an aliyah, the man leaves the tallis on for the rest of the service and he'd gotten an aliyah so he was wearing a tallis.

I would think that this woman is very very very devout.

that's funny

[Reminds me of a cute story- two 9 years olds boy and girl at shul are friendly with each other. She already stated a few years back that the 2 of them would get married and laid down the ground rules. One day she saw the boy wearing a tallis, she assumed that he (at age 9) married someone else and burst into tears-- luckily it was explained that boys in our shul have the generally put on a tallis for adon olam, anim zemirot, etc.]

Doesn't help much in sefardi/mizrachi settings, where a male can wear a tallit even before bar mitzvah age.


Hmm...
I think the reasons that person gave is that most of the women don't dress modestly enough (big heels, nice hair, make-up, etc.), they just check out the men, make noise and don't pray.
That's obviously true for some women but not all...so I a bit annoyed at that comment. *sigh*

Gotta love the OPS.

The person actually wasn't OPS-like at all. =/

Forgive me for being a cynic but married women don't wear big heels, make-up, nice sheitels, etc.?

They never make noise and don't pray?

Alas, I don't think these issues (if they are indeed issues) stop at the chupah.

I've been hitting quite a few weekday minyanim lately because I take my son to say kaddish. Being the only woman doesn't bother me, in fact I kind of like it because it's nice and quiet. A couple of times I've displaced men from the women's section, but that doesn't bother me either. I pay the same dues as every other member of the shul and I'm just as entitled to use the space.

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What a jerk.

The ironic part is that the noisy women usually are the married ones.
I guess the logic being used was that once they're married, they have an "excuse" to be there:
"my husband is here...so I am too."
Or maybe then men won't look at her?

If the female in question enjoyed davening with a minyan and made an effort to do so more often than not, I wouldn't think much of it. But if she insisted on always having to daven with a minyan, I'd think she was a bit OCD (not clinically speaking).



That's so nice.

yep, i literally had tears in my eyes when he said it. (hence, a wish to daven then - i'm usually very bad with davening. Hashem knew hwen he didn't create me a man )

Thank you for sharing. Those are the kind of stories that remind me why I'm still frum despite everything.
I wonder how many people actually get to go to shul for a reason as sincere as that.
kol hakavod!!!
and thanks for the chizuk.

Minche and maariv were common in some kehillos in der heim.

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