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melech
Is there any way of pasteurizing milk on YT for consumption that day?
doodlehead
QUOTE(melech @ Dec 24 2007, 10:41 AM) *
Is there any way of pasteurizing milk on YT for consumption that day?

Why wouldnt it be considered like any other cooking on YT?

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melech
QUOTE(doodlehead @ Dec 24 2007, 11:52 AM) *
Why wouldnt it be considered like any other cooking on YT?

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Yeah, I suppose, but the issue is more how to milk into a pail so it can be pasteurized rather than directly into food.
doodlehead
QUOTE(melech @ Dec 24 2007, 11:57 AM) *
Yeah, I suppose, but the issue is more how to milk into a pail so it can be pasteurized rather than directly into food.

So your question is about milking, or pasteurizing?

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melech
QUOTE(doodlehead @ Dec 24 2007, 12:00 PM) *
So your question is about milking, or pasteurizing?

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How to milk in such a way that one can pasteurize.
doodlehead
QUOTE(melech @ Dec 24 2007, 12:04 PM) *
How to milk in such a way that one can pasteurize.

If the milk is causing tzar to the animal you can only milk onto food?

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Xi
QUOTE(doodlehead @ Dec 24 2007, 12:08 PM) *
If the milk is causing tzar to the animal you can only milk onto food?

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Well, or into bleach etc.
Kalashnikover_Rebbe
QUOTE(melech @ Dec 24 2007, 05:41 PM) *
Is there any way of pasteurizing milk on YT for consumption that day?

Please tell me you're not serious... Do you want it homogenized and fortified as well rolleyes.gif
doodlehead
QUOTE(Xi @ Dec 24 2007, 02:10 PM) *
Well, or into bleach etc.

Would other milk be considered food? If it is then that would be a way to pasteurize it.

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Xi
QUOTE(doodlehead @ Dec 24 2007, 02:38 PM) *
Would other milk be considered food? If it is then that would be a way to pasteurize it.

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It has to be a food, not a liquid.
doodlehead
QUOTE(Xi @ Dec 24 2007, 02:50 PM) *
It has to be a food, not a liquid.

Oh.How do you know? Is ice cubes considered a food?

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Xi
QUOTE(doodlehead @ Dec 24 2007, 02:51 PM) *
Oh.How do you know? Is ice cubes considered a food?

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It's in the SA. http://www.chabadlibrary.org/books/default...az/sh/sh4/1/505

In hilchos brachos I learnt that it'd debated, but I don't know about here.
doodlehead
QUOTE(Xi @ Dec 24 2007, 03:03 PM) *
It's in the SA. http://www.chabadlibrary.org/books/default...az/sh/sh4/1/505

In hilchos brachos I learnt that it'd debated, but I don't know about here.

What about ice cubes?

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Xi
QUOTE(doodlehead @ Dec 24 2007, 03:06 PM) *
What about ice cubes?

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Yeah, ice cubes. Is it considered solid or liquid?
In brachos it comes up, example:

QUOTE
FROZEN OR GELLED FOODS:
We have seen that there are two basic differences
between solid food and liquid regarding their blessings; 1) The minimum amount of solid food that
requires a berachah acharonah is 1.1 oz, while the minimum amount of liquid that requires a
berachah acharonah is 3.3 oz; 2) Food may be consumed within a time span of up to 4 minutes,
while liquids must be drunk within a very short time period. There is a debate among the
poskim(32) about how to classify foods which are solid but do not need to be chewed in order to be
swallowed, such as ice cream, frozen yogurt and ices. Contemporary poskim, too, are hesitant(33)
and divided on this issue. Some rule that these items are considered as foods, since at t he time of
consumption they are solid(34). Accordingly, as long as 1.1 oz. is consumed within a time -span of
up to 3-4 minutes, the correct berachah achronah is recited. Other poskim, however, consider
these items as liquids. Since they will melt in the mouth without chewing, they cannot be classified
as foods(35). Accordingly, unless 3.3 oz. of the item is consumed within a very short time period, no
berachah acharonah is recited(36). Some authorities differentiate between ices, which is fr ozen
water and therefore more of a drink than a food, and ice cream, which contains ingredients which are
food(37). Several poskim(38) make a distinction between the amount of frozen and gelled food
which necessitates a berachah acharonah and the time in which it must be consumed. According to
this opinion, we view these items as solid food in determining the amount necessary for a berachah
acharonah; thus, 1.1 oz. will suffice. Concerning the time-span within which they must be consumed,
however, we view frozen and gelled foods as drinks. Accordingly, if 1.1. oz. was consumed within a
short time period, a berachah acharonah is recited. All poskim agree(39), however, that food
which is not in solid form at the time of consumption, such as "liquidy" leben, is considered a drink
and a berachah acharonah should not be recited unless 3.3. oz. are consumed within a very short
time period, which is not the rate at which such foods are commonly consumed.

FOOTNOTES: 32 See Rambam Ma'achalos Asuros 14:9 and Radvaz 1518 (145). There is
also widespread dispute concerning whether a raw egg is a food or a drink, see Sdei Chemed (Yom
Kippur 3) and Har Tzvi O.C. 1:101. 33 See Nishmas Avrohom O.C. 612:6 who quotes Harav S.Z.
Auerbach as questioning the halachic definition of sour cream and ice cream. 34 Harav Y.Y.
Kanievsky (written responsum published in Mekor ha-Berachah, pg. 110). 35 Harav S.Y. Elyashiv
(quoted in Vezos ha-Berachah, pg. 44); Be'er Moshe 1:11. 36 In practice, however, one may rely on
a sfeik sfeika and recite the blessing: Maybe the item is considered a solid, and even if it is a liquid,
maybe the halachah is like the view quoted earlier that liquid, too, may be drunk in 3-4 minutes, see
Mishnah Berurah 210:1. 37 Teshuvos Betzail ha-Chachmah 3:114-4. 38 Kol Eliyohu 7 (partially
quoted in Kaf ha-Chayim 202:63); Zera Avrohom O.C. 1:3; Ohr l'Tziyon 14:18-19; Yalkut Yosef
3:177-10; Nishmas Avrohom O.C. 612:6. 39 See Vezos ha-Berachah, pg. 44 and pg. 261.
Weekly-Halacha, Copyright © 1997 by Rabbi Neustadt, Dr. Jeffrey Gross and Project Genesis

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:d9J10w...rim/Eikev57.pdf

But that's about brachos.
melech
QUOTE(doodlehead @ Dec 24 2007, 02:51 PM) *
Oh.How do you know? Is ice cubes considered a food?

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How much ice cream do you need to eat to say borei nefashot - a kezayit or a revi'it?

Edited to add: Never mind - I didn't see the subsequent posts.
doodlehead
QUOTE(melech @ Dec 24 2007, 06:17 PM) *
How much ice cream do you need to eat to say borei nefashot - a kezayit or a revi'it?

Edited to add: Never mind - I didn't see the subsequent posts.

You think the ice cube idea would work?

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Kalashnikover_Rebbe
I still never got my answer if an igloo or ice castle could count as a sukkah (obviously with skach on top).....
doodlehead
QUOTE(Kalashnikover_Rebbe @ Dec 25 2007, 07:26 AM) *
I still never got my answer if an igloo or ice castle could count as a sukkah (obviously with skach on top).....

I'd like to compile a list of all the unanswered threads. Theres bazillions.


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Goldfish
QUOTE(Kalashnikover_Rebbe @ Dec 25 2007, 07:26 AM) *
I still never got my answer if an igloo or ice castle could count as a sukkah (obviously with skach on top).....

Why wouldn't it be considered a sukkah?
Kalashnikover_Rebbe
QUOTE(Goldfish @ Dec 25 2007, 10:37 PM) *
Why wouldn't it be considered a sukkah?

Because maybe ice is really water....
krumlikeapretzel
QUOTE(doodlehead @ Dec 24 2007, 01:51 PM) *
Oh.How do you know? Is ice cubes considered a food?9
I think you'd be getting into a different halachic problem by milking into ice cubes- the isur of mevatel kli meheichano...
QUOTE(Kalashnikover_Rebbe @ Dec 25 2007, 02:57 PM) *
Because maybe ice is really water....
The sukkah definitely works and ice is not considered water-since water that melts from ice is considered "nolad" it follows ice is not considered halachically "water".
melech
QUOTE(Kalashnikover_Rebbe @ Dec 25 2007, 03:57 PM) *
Because maybe ice is really water....

...and why wouldn't you be allowed to make the sukkah walls out of water? After all, the original sukkah walls were made out of clouds, weren't they? [ok, so it's a machloket]
Xi
QUOTE(melech @ Dec 25 2007, 06:12 PM) *
...and why wouldn't you be allowed to make the sukkah walls out of water? After all, the original sukkah walls were made out of clouds, weren't they? [ok, so it's a machloket]

Next we should build the sukkah out of air?
krumlikeapretzel
QUOTE(melech @ Dec 25 2007, 05:12 PM) *
...and why wouldn't you be allowed to make the sukkah walls out of water? After all, the original sukkah walls were made out of clouds, weren't they? [ok, so it's a machloket]

But the s'chch was also made out of clouds....

...well they didn't have s'chach lanetzach...
doodlehead
QUOTE(Kalashnikover_Rebbe @ Dec 25 2007, 07:26 AM) *
I still never got my answer if an igloo or ice castle could count as a sukkah (obviously with skach on top).....

I asked a posek, and he said in a place like the north pole it would be kosher.

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krumlikeapretzel
QUOTE(doodlehead @ Dec 29 2007, 09:58 AM) *
I asked a posek, and he said in a place like the north pole it would be kosher.

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But why would a frum Jew want to live next-door to Santa Claus?
Xi
QUOTE(krumlikeapretzel @ Dec 29 2007, 10:28 PM) *
But why would a frum Jew want to live next-door to Santa Claus?

He's Lubavitch?
doodlehead
QUOTE(krumlikeapretzel @ Dec 29 2007, 10:28 PM) *
But why would a frum Jew want to live next-door to Santa Claus?

Any ice cold climate will do.

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