For those that do; why the loathing? (pc's I totally understand, but macs?? )

Used one once. Don't remember it as that different from WIndows XP (though I wasn't too familiar with computers at that point.)

I don't hate Macs but Apple is one of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

Jealousy?

That much I knew..(as evidenced by int's comments the other day).
Guess it's like anything odd/strange..hate it till you love it.

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I think it has something to do with the fact that Macs open the world of computer use to complete incompetents and nincompoops who would never manage a minute on a PC (certainly before Win 95) sort of like what AOL and the proliferation of the WWW did to the internet.

So the truly knowledgeable geeks who 1. Took pride in their geekiness and superior knowledge which is ruined when anyone can use a computer and 2. now have to deal with a bunch of clueless n00bs who have reduced the intelligence level of the internet by 1000 fold. You used to have to have a fairly decent level of expertise even to sign on. Now my grandfather who can't use a remote control or toaster has broadband access...

Yeah, but who would be left on H.com if not for all these nincompoops???
Just KIDDING!!!!!!!

Don't rub it in

Goodness; I said I was KIDDING!!!

Having humorous intent does not preclude one from accurately assessing the situation...
Besides, laughter and crying are intimately connected....

True; you're presence made me realize what the bit of truth was in that joke....
True too. פון צו פיל לאכן קומט וויינען.

That semicolon took what little sting might have been in that attempt to insult me.
And what does an elephant's hole have to do with anything???

I just love Windows XP. I tried a Mac in the computer lab at school once and it just felt strange. I hated Safari.

Yeah, like anyone would waste bandwidth trying to insult you.
IDK; you're the one who brought it up to begin with.


What does Safari have to do with anything?
And what's wrong with strange? Light is also strange to someone raised in the dark.

Well maybe they should; anything would be better than the mindless banter that currently fills these hollow halls....

As I recall, Safari was the browser.


Because computer use is all about being able to do what you need in the way that works best for you. XP works best for me.

And that semicolon took any sting away from your attempt to insult h.com.


You can use any.


True.
But what you're used to is not necessarily what works best for you.

Yes, however there is also the question of cost effectiveness. Macs are extremely expensive.

This was disproven just last week in Cassandra's thread.

I don't think it was. There are cheaper options for Windows; there are no cheaper options for Mac. Sure, you're getting a superior product, but that doesn't change the fact that you can manage for less with Windows.

There are. Maybe not for NEW Macs, but definitely for fully functioning, almost like new Macs.

Not always, K-R...

Growing up I had a PS/2 that came with Windows 3.1 (which I very rarely used) and I learned how to code in Basic, C, Pascal and some assembly code.

I like macs because they're very hassle free. My previous iBook never had any problems of any kind, hardware, software, viruses, nothing for 5 1/2 years. Even when my pet bunnies nibbled at the connecion cable almost severing 
it, it kept working perfectly (I eventually replaced it since I covered the 
nibble marks with duct tape that made it look uber-ghetto) . No problems on my new Mac Book either bli ayin hara.

Macs might mean a bigger initial expense than some PCs, but the overall cost of ownership is usually lower.

(I know it's nice to have a computer to experiment weird things on and stuff ie a non Mac)

Don't get me wrong, I've never owned a peecee in my life. I am secure enough in my manhood that I can use a Mac (even a bright orange one). I was just explaining why the PC loyalists hate Macs so much....

That's what I was going to write. That the expense is not that much more, as you don't have to pay for maintenance, and fixing bugs and buying malware and spyware and antivirus and whatnot.

Oh, and a mac is so much fun. I never even thought of getting a mac. I was fine with my PC. However, doing lots of heavy duty graphics forced me to look into something that would actually WORK, as no PC was handling the load I needed. I got an Imac and I don't think I will ever use a PC again if it's up to me. It's just fun, very very simple and clean. Smooth.

I hate that Macs are so expensive, they're at least twice the cost they should be. I'm no M$ fan either, I use Ubuntu or Debian on my machines.

Eli

In all honesty, I'd use Ubuntu/Linux if I knew how. I'm all for the concept, but the coding makes me wary..(though I guess it's pretty telling that so many people have their desktops/docks.icons modeled after Apple's ).

GUI is the same principle for the founders of both programs methinks..they both understand the need for ease and nice eye-candy, just Apple charges while Linux is sweetly open source..

http://lifehacker.com/software/hack-attack...-800-321913.php

I don't like Macs, but it's probably because I'm not that familiar with them. I had to use one in a photoshop course I took, and I hated it (especially the one-click mouse ). I didn't like the design and interface. And as far as gaming goes, erm, if you don't mind having about 3 and a half compatible games, you're good to go. (Although you can install Windows on a Mac and run them through that, really.)

I was thinking of getting a Mac when it's time for a new computer though- just to try it out and give it a chance.

I have a mouse with left and right. But I rarely use it. I have a wacom tablet and it was the best investment. I am so used to using the pen that I rarely, if ever, use the mouse.

Please do yourself a favor and visit an apple store before you make the purchase. Try it and get familiar with it and only then, purchase it.

Got a CD burner? Download and burn a copy. No burner? Go to https://shipit.ubuntu.com/ and fill out the form, expect a CD within a few weeks. It'll boot as a LiveCD, letting you try it out without installing it.

Been there done that, still doesn't work as well as the real thing.

Eli

Can you explain why you think it doesn't work as well as the real thing?

In that case, I think I may. How quick is the adjustment?
(then again..I'm already on a mac..defeats half the purpose of opensource..)

It was hard to set up and hardware compatibility is lacking.

It was fast and easy!

Eli