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pleats
Can't use barley for my chulent... what can I substitute?
krumlikeapretzel
If you want something to give it sticky consistency you could use okra.
bigtoe
Wheat berries.


(also possibly quinoa if you dumped it in at the end..but I don't think it's hardy enough unless kept on reeeeeally low heat)
Psychodad
QUOTE(pleats @ Jan 3 2008, 07:48 PM) *
Can't use barley for my chulent... what can I substitute?

small pasta
bigtoe
QUOTE(Psychodad @ Jan 3 2008, 08:55 PM) *
small pasta

Gets too mushy by morning.
Nooch
Why not? Allergies?
pleats
QUOTE(Psychodad @ Jan 3 2008, 07:55 PM) *
small pasta

Orzo?

(Thanks krum and bigtoe, but I don't think the other eaters would greatly appreciate being fed okra or wheat berries... I might be able to get away with quinoa, but if it won't hold up...)
Kalashnikover_Rebbe
Nothing, who says you need barley in Cholent??? (although I like it)
pleats
QUOTE(Nooch @ Jan 3 2008, 07:56 PM) *
Why not? Allergies?

Yoshon dry.gif
bigtoe
QUOTE(pleats @ Jan 3 2008, 08:57 PM) *
(Thanks krum and bigtoe, but I don't think the other eaters would greatly appreciate being fed okra or wheat berries... I might be able to get away with quinoa, but if it won't hold up...)

um..wheat berries look just like barley. and no one knows the difference (been there ,done that..)
Psychodad
QUOTE(pleats @ Jan 3 2008, 07:58 PM) *
Yoshon dry.gif

ohmy.gif wow
orzo might work, never tried it.
Also I think whole wheat pasta doesnt get as mushy.
bigtoe
QUOTE(Psychodad @ Jan 3 2008, 09:01 PM) *
orzo might work, never tried it.

Don't try orzo or any pasta for that matter unless you want gooey, mushy, soggy cholent by morning. Really.I've tried it a few times because I'm such a carbivore..
Psychodad
QUOTE(bigtoe @ Jan 3 2008, 08:04 PM) *
Don't try orzo or any pasta for that matter unless you want gooey, mushy, soggy cholent by morning. Really.I've tried it a few times because I'm such a carbivore..

Have you ever had a cholent that wasn't soggy or mushy? unsure.gif
existwhere?
My family often uses rice.
krumlikeapretzel
Actually the best counter-intuitive/untraditional ingredient to add to chulent IMHO is poi, but unless you live in Hawaii or the on west coast your chances of finding good [or even edible] poi are zero.
TheDuncePolice
QUOTE(krumlikeapretzel @ Jan 3 2008, 07:51 PM) *
If you want something to give it sticky consistency you could use okra.

But that must give it a very different taste.

Navy beans (pea beans). It's not exactly like barley, but I use it every week with barley as well. I don't use cholent beans (yucky taste) and use these two. It's light, not mushy at all and just delicious.
bigtoe
QUOTE(Psychodad @ Jan 3 2008, 09:09 PM) *
Have you ever had a cholent that wasn't soggy or mushy? unsure.gif

All the time; could be because I make it without meat.

To clarify, the pasta is barely edible because it gets so waterlogged by morning.
Nooch
QUOTE(TheDuncePolice @ Jan 3 2008, 08:15 PM) *
But that must give it a very different taste.

Navy beans (pea beans). It's not exactly like barley, but I use it every week with barley as well. I don't use cholent beans (yucky taste) and use these two. It's light, not mushy at all and just delicious.

Define cholent beans.
bigtoe
QUOTE(krumlikeapretzel @ Jan 3 2008, 09:13 PM) *
Actually the best counter-intuitive/untraditional ingredient to add to chulent IMHO is poi, but unless you live in Hawaii or the on west coast your chances of finding good [or even edible] poi are zero.

Most people I know actually like the chunks of meat & potatoes..
krumlikeapretzel
QUOTE(bigtoe @ Jan 3 2008, 07:16 PM) *
Most people I know actually like the chunks of meat & potatoes..
rofl.gif
Psychodad
QUOTE(bigtoe @ Jan 3 2008, 08:15 PM) *
To clarify, the pasta is barely edible because it gets so waterlogged by morning.

you're probably right, im just brainstorming.
melech
QUOTE(pleats @ Jan 3 2008, 07:48 PM) *
Can't use barley for my chulent... what can I substitute?

my wife says: wheat kernels. although we use kamut kernels because we avoid regular wheat products.
TheDuncePolice
QUOTE(bigtoe @ Jan 3 2008, 08:15 PM) *
All the time; could be because I make it without meat.

To clarify, the pasta is barely edible because it gets so waterlogged by morning.


I sometimes put farfel in the cholent in a wrap n boil bag. I drop it in (raw) on top of everything, so it's mostly in the water, but not all the way. It usually is crispy and dry-ish by morning. Delicious.
QUOTE(Nooch @ Jan 3 2008, 08:16 PM) *
Define cholent beans.

I think kidney beans. I think they have this weird mixture of every type of bean and it's called cholent beans.
agent220
QUOTE(pleats @ Jan 3 2008, 07:58 PM) *
Yoshon dry.gif

Oy, just saw the heimishe brands have yoshon issues with barley this year sad.gif
FYI
QUOTE(pleats @ Jan 3 2008, 06:58 PM) *
Yoshon dry.gif

QUOTE(existwhere? @ Jan 3 2008, 07:10 PM) *
My family often uses rice.

I second rice. We have done this when we've run out of barley or any other reason we can't use barley (other than on pesach when it's chometz and rice is kitniyos) Use the same amount as usual.
Margaux
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pleats
So far it looks like it's going to be rice.
Alternatively, does anyone have the recipe for "potato kugel chulent" from KBD?
Elana
QUOTE(TheDuncePolice @ Jan 3 2008, 08:15 PM) *
I don't use cholent beans (yucky taste)


amen! and looks aweful, too - black-ish-weird brown-ish; very unappetizing.

QUOTE(Nooch @ Jan 3 2008, 08:16 PM) *
Define cholent beans.


all different kinds in one baggy - that's how they are called in jewish supermarkets.

only small navy beans for cholent in my house
Tova
What about kasha?
BroadwayFreak
I'm trying rice this week.
Elana
QUOTE(BroadwayFreak @ Jan 4 2008, 12:28 PM) *
I'm trying rice this week.


i've made plov (bucharian rice and meat dish) a few times instead of cholent.
U Tarzan me Jane
my mom used to use brown rice.
rachel b.
we had cholent with rice last shabbes lunch. i would never have known it was rice if the hostess hadn't mentioned it, and it was delicious.
Shuli
QUOTE(melech @ Jan 3 2008, 09:12 PM) *
my wife says: wheat kernels. although we use kamut kernels because we avoid regular wheat products.


thumbsup.gif thumbsup.gif I used to stay by a family that made this in its own baggie in the chulent...it was DELICIOUS and easily my favorite part of the meal. Thanks for the reminder, melech...I'm gonna pick some up for next week. sunny.gif
Kalashnikover_Rebbe
I'm surprised none of you pinko hippies suggested quinoa...
bigtoe
QUOTE(Kalashnikover_Rebbe @ Jan 5 2008, 12:28 PM) *
I'm surprised none of you pinko hippies suggested quinoa...

Then you must have missed post # 3..
BroadwayFreak
The rice dissolved.
pleats
I put meat on the bottom of the crockpot, made potato kugel 'dough' and dumped it on top. 'Twas enjoyed, but didn't measure a thing. Oops.
existwhere?
QUOTE(BroadwayFreak @ Jan 5 2008, 06:44 PM) *
The rice dissolved.

Never happened to us... what were the other ingredients?
BroadwayFreak
QUOTE(BroadwayFreak @ Jan 4 2008, 04:28 PM) *
Tonight:
Massaman Chicken
Rice

Lunch:
Cholent (I used potatoes, canned diced tomatoes with the juice, chicken broth, stew meat, barley and rice, marsala wine, chick peas, and shredded carrots. ETA: it was delicious!!!!! But the rice totally dissolved.


I used Thai Jasmine rice. . . it seems to cook kind of quickly, so maybe that was the problem. Regardless, it turned out very well.
Red Hare
by us rice would get sticky and gross.
TheDuncePolice
QUOTE(BroadwayFreak @ Jan 5 2008, 06:44 PM) *
The rice dissolved.

I found the best option for cholent is the brown rice. They are the least sticky and mushy.
existwhere?
QUOTE(TheDuncePolice @ Jan 5 2008, 08:46 PM) *
I found the best option for cholent is the brown rice. They are the least sticky and mushy.

We use only brown rice.
FYI
QUOTE(BroadwayFreak @ Jan 5 2008, 05:44 PM) *
The rice dissolved.

Was that a good or bad thing?

QUOTE(pleats @ Jan 5 2008, 06:05 PM) *
I put meat on the bottom of the crockpot, made potato kugel 'dough' and dumped it on top. 'Twas enjoyed, but didn't measure a thing. Oops.

So you skipped the rice/barley issue altogether? Also, when you put meat on the bottom, doesn't it dry out too much? I find that unless meat is all the way on top (I'm talking cubed stew/chulent meat) it gets too dry/hard.
pleats
QUOTE(FYI @ Jan 23 2008, 12:27 PM) *
So you skipped the rice/barley issue altogether? Also, when you put meat on the bottom, doesn't it dry out too much? I find that unless meat is all the way on top (I'm talking cubed stew/chulent meat) it gets too dry/hard.

Yup, but now we have enough to last until Pesach. Yay!
It didn't dry out at all... I used a strip of flanken and cut it into chunks.
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