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I only wore heels once, and my knees and ankles hurt so bad I could barely walk for over a week.

I tried them on once and I didn't even make it 20 feet

I'm actually more comfortable in heels than in flats, although I'm not referring to really high heels. Depending on the shoe I can be very comfortable in two inch heels. Plus, high heels are sexy, so isn't looking good worth a little bit of pain?

Is it?

Ummm....a bit of pain, yes, and lots of women would answer the same way (especially in NYC), so I'm not the only one. That said, I could never wear some of the heels that other women do, those would involve way too much pain.

BTW, I try and limit my time in heels so as to limit the pain, so I now wear more comfortable shoes on my commute [where I end up standing for long periods of time] and put on my heels at work. This works for me.

I agree with you! I can never buy truly flat shoes because 1- my feet pronate horribly in them and 2- they "fall off" while walking and look like flip flops.

Why specifically NYC?

Yup, me too, and wearing flats for an extended period of time is actually painful for me.

Well, of course it's not exclusive to NYC by any stretch, but I do think women in certain locations are more likely to wear heels in their day to day activities. I think in general women in NYC dress up more, which includes wearing heels more often. I've worked in several cities and traveled to many more on business and this is an observation, but one that I've also heard from countless other people over the years.

Why is that?
And why are heels considered "sexy", as you characterized them?

NYC is one of the fashion capitals of the world!!!!

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that NY is a fashion center (which includes a high number of models), the financial capital (where women tend to dress to impress), etc... I'm not sure, all I know is that it's true.

Even in my current job I can tell you that the dress code is "business formal" rather than "business casual" (which has become commonplace in so many workplaces today). This means that men wear suits and ties every day and women also wear suits every day (either pant suits or suit jackets with skirts) accompanied by high heels.

Because when a woman wears heels it makes her legs look longer and sexier. I can't believe that I'm trying to explain this to a guy. Most guys agree with this and don't require an explanation. Why is this so interesting to you?

You're kidding me. Does the dress code specifically require high heels? What about corsettes and boustiers?


There's little in life that does NOT interest me, at least as far as trying to understand human behavior, and here we have an example of women, including a supposedly educated one like yourself, inflicting pain on themselves for...what? That's what I'm trying to understand. Maybe these are the same women who pierce holes in their ears for earrings.

Men.

[I think every single female out there should pierce holes in her ears for earrings! It's two minutes of pain in her life in exchange for looking better for the rest of her life.]

Too bad more people didn't have this attitude.


It's because places like NYC are a man's world, so women have to do everything they can to make themselves attractive to men in order to get dates, jobs, etc.

No...of course not, but that's what 95% of women wear. I haven't gotten the memo yet regarding the mandatory wearing of corsettes and boustiers, but I'll be on the lookout for it. FYI...women at work also wear skirts above their knees, although that too is not mandated by company policy.

Supposedly educated? Gee...thanks.

In general I don't find it painful if I just wear them at the office, especially since I actually experience more pain in flats. I did have a hard time standing for long periods on multiple trains in heels and running up countless flights of stairs in them, but now that I have started only wearing them at work I am pain free, so no sacrifice required. My feet only hurt when I have to stand in one spot for a long period of time in heels.

And yes, I do have my ears pierced, although there is no pain involved in that either.

two minutes of pain, a lifetime of a traumatic memory, recurrent infections, and a marred body for life...It being a man's world.

Sha! Stop making noise and drawing attention to the issue. We are working hard behind the scenes in a vast conspiracy to make this a reality, and people like YOU undermine those efforts

I think that's out of the norm. Human feet were designed for the heel to be level with the ball of the foot.

What traumatic memory? You're nuts. I have far more traumatic memories from visiting the dentist as a child than from getting my ears pierced. As far as our bodies being marred, most people think women look attractive in earrings. I'm guessing you are not one of them.

Most kids don't have a lifetime of traumatic memory, especially those who get it done as babies. I happen to be one of those with a "story," and I STILL think every female should have her ears pierced. A woman can have on a full face of makeup, hair done perfectly, but if she's not wearing earrings, she doesn't look dressed IMO. And I didn't have recurrent infections (bli ayin hara), and a marred body? Call it what you want, but it adds to beauty...and I think there's a value in that.

We've had threads. There are h.com members who recall running from the studio screaming.


My therapist says it's simply a disconnect from reality manifest by delusional and illogical thinking.

Lol

I'm not getting that.

What?

why you think every female should have their ears pierced in spite of you yourself having a trauma story

True.


Not true.


Not true.


Not true. But if you're so worried about that, then I guess you'd recommend that women stop having babies.

I can't imagine why. IIRC, I had it done when I was 12 and only had seconds of pain. It was truly not a big deal.

You're too much.

No...because Melech follows the lead of the twins, Picking and Choosing.

Melech, attractive women do not always get the jobs etc. On the highest levels, it's about competency.

Because it's PRETTY. Can you understand that? And I disagree with Rachel, that it's not painful. It was painful (for like two minutes). But it's worth it. It was a traumatic experience in the sense that I remember it clearly and it was a big deal at the time, but I'm not traumatized from it anymore.

Pain in childbirth is a curse from God to punish you for Chava's sin. Suck it up.

I suppose.

He didn't make that claim, I did. And anyway, of course it's not a one to one correlation that the prettiest girl always get the job.


First of all, you're dreaming. If it were about competency, you wouldn't have Enron and WorldCom and Tyco and Arthur Andersen. Second of all, how did the person get to the highest level to begin with? They had to work their way up.

Phew. For the record, there are plenty of painful activities that women engage in to look pretty that I don't necessarily advocate. In this case, it's a one-time occurrence, versus something like waxing, which needs to be done monthly.

Who said anything about pain? I was referring to a woman's body being scarred/marred for life (especially after a c-section).

No, childbirth is a controllable phenomenon. The pain is worth it when you consider that you're bringing a child into this world. At least to people who have babies in the civilized world. And those who don't think it's worth it can stay on birth control their whole life.

OK.

This reminds me of the joke (which I believe I posted once before) about the 3 women who apply for a job at a prestigious firm and are called in for an interview, the first one comes in and the CEO leaves 1000 dollars on the desk and walks out of the room. The woman thinks this is obviously a test of my integrity, so when he comes back she gives him the money.
The second woman comes in and the same thing happens, she thinks this must be a test of my initiative so she pockets the money and says nothing when he comes back.
The third one comes in, same deal, and thinks to herself this must be a test of my business acumen, so she takes the money invests it and comes back next week and hands the boss 10 grand.

Which one gets the job???

I agree with you, it may not be a one to one correlation but it still makes a big difference in a woman's career opportunities, especially in large corporations.

Why is anything considered sexy? That's not a reasonable question.

That said, it has been noted that high heels can cause a woman to assume a posture that has the upper chest area jutting out more prominently than it does naturally. Also, it can cause the legs to have a longer, more slender appearance, and draws attention to the legs and feet in general.

What does? Attractiveness? Of course it does. That was my original point.

Who? Don't leave us in suspense!

Since you're the one telling it, the one with the biggest b00bs.

Yes, attractiveness.

Why is it not a reasonable question? Surely with so many things described as "sexy", there must be some sort of general definition. What makes high heels sexy? Is it as Rachel8 suggested, that it makes the woman look taller? And if high heels make one look "sexy", then why do torah truers wear high heels to shul and simchas?

1. Why do you assume that it is not "torah-true" to dress in a sexy fashion?
2. Why do torah-truers do so many other things that are not in line with the Torah?

It's not that, it's that it elongates the calves.


Sigh. Because Jewish society is a man's world and women have to do everything they can to stand out in order to get shidduchim, etc.

But that's right, a highly tznius girl would not wear high heels with a knee-length skirt.

I disagree. There's high heels, and then there's high heels. Not every pair of high heels (think traditional pumps) are eye-catching.