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melech
So you're allowed to carry things you need for YT purposes. Like a siddur or lulav to shul. But you're not supposed to carry things you don't really need, which could possibly include carrying your tallit home after shul since you won't need it again, but we use the fiction that we're afraid it will be stolen so it's ok to carry it home. Fine. I can live with that. But how does one justify those who walk around all day with their lulavim just for the sake of it?
Goldfish
QUOTE(melech @ Jan 6 2008, 11:45 AM) *
how does one justify those who walk around all day with their lulavim just for the sake of it?

I don't think I've ever seen such a thing. Aren't they worried it'll get damaged?
Torn
I don't mean to go off topic but don't we live with many fictions? Isn't selling chametz a fiction? How about an eruv, is that not a fiction?

And now to get on topic isn't the fear of theft applicable to a lulav as well?
melech
QUOTE(Torn @ Jan 6 2008, 11:48 AM) *
And now to get on topic isn't the fear of theft applicable to a lulav as well?

Maybe, but they could have left the lulav wherever they went for lunch.
Kalashnikover_Rebbe
QUOTE(melech @ Jan 6 2008, 06:49 PM) *
Maybe, but they could have left the lulav wherever they went for lunch.

And risk their kids using the lulav for sword fights and the esrog ending up as part of the lemonade???
You're better off taking your chances leaving it in shul....
Moshi
Even within an eruv?
melech
QUOTE(Moshi @ Jan 6 2008, 12:56 PM) *
Even within an eruv?

I'm talking about if there is no eruv. But keep in mind those who walk around all day on principle with their lulavim are often from the demographic that don't hold by eruvin on principle. [to be clear, I'm talking about lubavitchers]
Kalashnikover_Rebbe
QUOTE(melech @ Jan 6 2008, 08:04 PM) *
I'm talking about if there is no eruv. But keep in mind those who walk around all day on principle with their lulavim are often from the demographic that don't hold by eruvin on principle. [to be clear, I'm talking about lubavitchers]

Being mezakeh other people in the mitzvah is not a good enough reason???
melech
QUOTE(Kalashnikover_Rebbe @ Jan 6 2008, 01:20 PM) *
Being mezakeh other people in the mitzvah is not a good enough reason???

Maybe. Can I carry around a tzedakah box on YT?
Kalashnikover_Rebbe
QUOTE(melech @ Jan 6 2008, 08:21 PM) *
Maybe. Can I carry around a tzedakah box on YT?

Money is muktzeh, a lulav isn't...
If your friend in shul asks you to bring him a sefer at mincha you can't unless YOU need it???
melech
... sorry, double post
melech
QUOTE(Kalashnikover_Rebbe @ Jan 6 2008, 01:39 PM) *
Money is muktzeh, a lulav isn't...
If your friend in shul asks you to bring him a sefer at mincha you can't unless YOU need it???

I have no issue bringing a sefer to minchah for a friend, nor with carrying around a lulav that will be lent to men or boys. But if you're going to use the excuse that maybe somebody on the planet will need object X, then there's almost nothing that can't be carried.
Kalashnikover_Rebbe
QUOTE(melech @ Jan 6 2008, 08:42 PM) *
I have no issue bringing a sefer to minchah for a friend, nor with carrying around a lulav that will be lent to men or boys. But if you're going to use the excuse that maybe somebody on the planet will need object X, then there's almost nothing that can't be carried.

It's not an excuse, they are only carrying it so that other people can use it. What about someone that carries a shofar on RH?
It is very reasonable that someone will need to fulfill the mitzvah and hasn't yet. Karov l'vadai in fact.....

Also isn't there an inyan that once something becomes "non muktzeh" it stays that way. So if normally a Shofar or Lulav and Esrog would me mukzeh on the appropriate days you can move them freely. Maybe carrying is the same....
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