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mjr
I remember there was a topic here a few years ago answering this, but I can't seem to find it anymore. Which Adar do you "celebrate" and say kaddish, etc... for the yartzheit of someone who died in Adar of a non leap year?
Kalashnikover_Rebbe
Adar Sheni
melech
QUOTE(mjr @ Jan 9 2008, 07:33 PM) *
I remember there was a topic here a few years ago answering this, but I can't seem to find it anymore. Which Adar do you "celebrate" and say kaddish, etc... for the yartzheit of someone who died in Adar of a non leap year?

Depends whom one asks. See Orach Chaim 568:7.
The Shulchan Aruch says Adar Sheini. So says the Chatam Sofer as well. But it's a bit more complicated in the first year following a death when the death occurred in a regular year and the first yahrtzeit is in a leap year.
The Rama says the Adar Rishon but some are strict to fast in both Adars.
It really depends whom one asks and one should ask one's orthodox rabbis. There are different opinions.
May we only celebrate semachot and may the neshamah have an aliyah.
mjr
QUOTE(melech @ Jan 9 2008, 07:47 PM) *
Depends whom one asks. See Orach Chaim 568:7.
The Shulchan Aruch says Adar Sheini. So says the Chatam Sofer as well. But it's a bit more complicated in the first year following a death when the death occurred in a regular year and the first yahrtzeit is in a leap year.
The Rama says the Adar Rishon but some are strict to fast in both Adars.
It really depends whom one asks and one should ask one's orthodox rabbis. There are different opinions.
May we only celebrate semachot and may the neshamah have an aliyah.

It's not the first yartzheit. The person simply can't remember what he did the last time there was a leap year, so I told him I'd ask. Adar Sheini it is! Thanks.
Elana
thanks for bringing it up - my grandmother's yarzteit is in adar, so i would have to find it out soon, and now i'll already know
melech
QUOTE(mjr @ Jan 9 2008, 09:22 PM) *
It's not the first yartzheit. The person simply can't remember what he did the last time there was a leap year, so I told him I'd ask. Adar Sheini it is! Thanks.


QUOTE(elana)
thanks for bringing it up - my grandmother's yarzteit is in adar, so i would have to find it out soon, and now i'll already know


I would very, very strongly urge you to check with an Orthodox rabbi. At my shul for instance, which is Ashkenaz, the minhag (the default minhag where there is no specific minhag to the contrary) is to commemorate the yahrtzeit in Adar RISHON.

Again, I would very, very strongly urge you to check this out with an orthodox rabbi before drawing conclusions based on anything posted here.
mjr
QUOTE(melech @ Jan 11 2008, 02:46 PM) *
I would very, very strongly urge you to check with an Orthodox rabbi. At my shul for instance, which is Ashkenaz, the minhag (the default minhag where there is no specific minhag to the contrary) is to commemorate the yahrtzeit in Adar RISHON.

Again, I would very, very strongly urge you to check this out with an orthodox rabbi before drawing conclusions based on anything posted here.

Probably a good idea to check with a Rabbi. A quick search on google seems to indicate it should be done in Adar Rishon.

Regarding your shul, the BAYT does all kinds of interesting things. Last time I was there I had the great pleasure of hearing the choir there. wink.gif

Oh and my shul davens sefard if that makes any difference.
melech
QUOTE(mjr @ Jan 12 2008, 07:32 PM) *
Probably a good idea to check with a Rabbi. A quick search on google seems to indicate it should be done in Adar Rishon.

Regarding your shul, the BAYT does all kinds of interesting things. Last time I was there I had the great pleasure of hearing the choir there. wink.gif

Oh and my shul davens sefard if that makes any difference.

So that there isn't any misunderstand by others, the "choir" was all male and was certain macher members of the shul and had for a short time been "performing" on shabbat mevarchim but is now defunct as far as I know. I never actually heard them. I think it was awful that the shul had them.
mjr
QUOTE(melech @ Jan 12 2008, 07:58 PM) *
So that there isn't any misunderstand by others, the "choir" was all male and was certain macher members of the shul and had for a short time been "performing" on shabbat mevarchim but is now defunct as far as I know. I never actually heard them. I think it was awful that the shul had them.

I thought it was quite amusing actually. Didn't really care for it, but amusing nonetheless. Similar to a church choir. There aren't any other shuls in Toronto with a choir, are there?
melech
QUOTE(mjr @ Jan 12 2008, 08:10 PM) *
I thought it was quite amusing actually. Didn't really care for it, but amusing nonetheless. Similar to a church choir. There aren't any other shuls in Toronto with a choir, are there?

I have no clue whatsoever. The closest I ever saw similar was at the Great Synagogue [Heichal Shlomo] in Yerushalayim.
I think "amusing" is an exceedingly polite euphemism. But again, I believe it was in existence for a short time and is now defunct, a failed experiment.
krumlikeapretzel
QUOTE(melech @ Jan 9 2008, 06:47 PM) *
May we only celebrate semachot and may the neshamah have an aliyah.
Amen!

... I have 2 yohrtzeits on Adar... bigcry.gif
melech
QUOTE (melech @ Jan 11 2008, 02:46 PM) *
I would very, very strongly urge you to check with an Orthodox rabbi. At my shul for instance, which is Ashkenaz, the minhag (the default minhag where there is no specific minhag to the contrary) is to commemorate the yahrtzeit in Adar RISHON.

Again, I would very, very strongly urge you to check this out with an orthodox rabbi before drawing conclusions based on anything posted here.

Correction: the minhag in my shul is that the Yahrtzeit is observed in BOTH ADAR RISHON and ADAR SHEINI according to the Mara D'atra with whom I spoke at minchah today.
[One the gabbaim earlier either gave me erroneous information, or I didn't make my question to him sufficiently clear, or I misunderstood him in error].
But the minhag in my shul is that the yahrtzeit is commemorated in both adars. However, the shul minhag is that the mourner is entitled to an aliyah and to daven from the amud only in the first adar. Apparently this is normative among ashkenazim since someone in my family got the same psak from her rabbi.
mjr
QUOTE (melech @ Feb 17 2008, 08:27 PM) *
Correction: the minhag in my shul is that the Yahrtzeit is observed in BOTH ADAR RISHON and ADAR SHEINI according to the Mara D'atra with whom I spoke at minchah today.
[One the gabbaim earlier either gave me erroneous information, or I didn't make my question to him sufficiently clear, or I misunderstood him in error].
But the minhag in my shul is that the yahrtzeit is commemorated in both adars. However, the shul minhag is that the mourner is entitled to an aliyah and to daven from the amud only in the first adar. Apparently this is normative among ashkenazim since someone in my family got the same psak from her rabbi.

Interesting. I found out that the minhag is my shul is only to observe the Yahrzeit in Adar Sheini. Nusach sfard shul if that makes any difference.
mosheshmeal
QUOTE (melech @ Feb 17 2008, 09:27 PM) *
or I misunderstood him in error

As opposed to?

mosheshmeal
.
melech
QUOTE (mosheshmeal @ Feb 17 2008, 11:32 PM) *
As opposed to?

mosheshmeal
.

a misunderstanding that is not in error? Let's say he said something wrong and said X and I misunderstood him to say Y, and Y is in fact correct?
Pinchas
My father just told me my great uncle's Yartzheit is today. He said my grandfather would only keep it in Adar Sheini but that the M.B. says better to hold both. So in any case he asked me to learn Mishnayos today...
Elana
i found where i wrote down my grandmother's yartzeit date, and it said "... adar alef". called the rav to double check, but he wasn't available, so will call him back tomorrow
Dovid
QUOTE (melech @ Feb 17 2008, 08:27 PM) *
Correction: the minhag in my shul is that the Yahrtzeit is observed in BOTH ADAR RISHON and ADAR SHEINI according to the Mara D'atra with whom I spoke at minchah today.


Our shul issued a bulletin as follows:
If the person died in a non-leap year, then you have to keep two yarhzeits. If the person died in a leap year, you keep the yahrtzeit in the corresponding month.
Since my wife's parents both died in Adar of non-leap years, we are keeping four yahrzeits in the next few weeks.

QUOTE (Elana @ Feb 18 2008, 10:24 PM) *
i found where i wrote down my grandmother's yartzeit date, and it said "... adar alef". called the rav to double check, but he wasn't available, so will call him back tomorrow


The Encyclopedia Judaica's reference volume has a calendar going back 100 years so it's easy to check if a person died in a leap year or not.
Elana
QUOTE (Dovid @ Feb 18 2008, 10:50 PM) *
The Encyclopedia Judaica's reference volume has a calendar going back 100 years so it's easy to check if a person died in a leap year or not.


hm, anyone's got that volume? dunce.gif (i'm pretty sure it was non-leap year, but wouldn't mind double-checking)
melech
QUOTE (Elana @ Feb 19 2008, 11:44 AM) *
hm, anyone's got that volume? dunce.gif (i'm pretty sure it was non-leap year, but wouldn't mind double-checking)

Tell me the English date and I'll get you the Hebrew one.
Elana
february 26, 1992
(it's adar 22, iirc)
melech
QUOTE (Elana @ Feb 19 2008, 11:49 AM) *
february 26, 1992
(it's adar 22, iirc)

February 26, 1992 CE was 22 Adar Aleph 5752. It was a leap year.
Elana
oh, so THIS is why it says "alef" in my notes. then i have no shaila, right?
existwhere?
QUOTE (melech @ Feb 19 2008, 11:53 AM) *
February 26, 1992 CE was 22 Adar Aleph 5752. It was a leap year.

Do you have tricks for that?
melech
QUOTE (existwhere? @ Feb 19 2008, 07:15 PM) *
Do you have tricks for that?

First of all, there are some links in the Jewish Sources on the Net post #59. Although I took down some of the links in the Tools section [which I now regret], there are still links that provide date conversions.
Secondly, if you recall the Essential Sefarim thread http://www.hashkafah.com/index.php?s=&...st&p=930329 you'll recall the Comprehensive Hebrew Calendar, the green book on shelf #1.
Thirdly...well, thirdly, it's a party trick.
But to determine if 5752 is a leap year, or if any year is a leap year, anyone can do that in their heads.
existwhere?
QUOTE (melech @ Feb 19 2008, 07:21 PM) *
First of all, there are some links in the Jewish Sources on the Net post #59. Although I took down some of the links in the Tools section [which I now regret], there are still links that provide date conversions.
Secondly, if you recall the Essential Sefarim thread http://www.hashkafah.com/index.php?s=&...st&p=930329 you'll recall the Comprehensive Hebrew Calendar, the green book on shelf #1.
Thirdly...well, thirdly, it's a party trick.
But to determine if 5752 is a leap year, or if any year is a leap year, anyone can do that in their heads.

You did that in your head. How?
melech
QUOTE (existwhere? @ Feb 19 2008, 07:25 PM) *
You did that in your head. How?

Not the date conversion. I looked the date conversion up in a book. The green calendar book.
I meant anyone can figure out if a year is a leap year or not in their heads.
Elana
melech, thanks a lot for looking it up!!
existwhere?
QUOTE (melech @ Feb 19 2008, 07:29 PM) *
Not the date conversion. I looked the date conversion up in a book. The green calendar book.
I meant anyone can figure out if a year is a leap year or not in their heads.

I see.
FYI
May I suggest hebcal.com? They have a heb/eng date converter.
existwhere?
QUOTE (FYI @ Feb 20 2008, 01:01 PM) *
May I suggest hebcal.com? They have a heb/eng date converter.


thanks
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