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melech
It is the practice of many on h.com to include snippets of posts as quotes by other members within one's own signature.
Is it within board guidelines to include any snippet of any post that itself is within board guidelines?
Spot
QUOTE(melech @ Jan 11 2008, 05:36 AM) *
It is the practice of many on h.com to include snippets of posts as quotes by other members within one's own signature.
Is it within board guidelines to include any snippet of any post that itself is within board guidelines?

what do you mean? can you give an example? i don't understand the question.
melech
QUOTE(Spot @ Jan 11 2008, 09:01 AM) *
what do you mean? can you give an example? i don't understand the question.

Sure. Let's say member X says something about peeing against the fence. So member Y quotes the snippet of a quote in his own signature and attributes it to member X. That's what members do, and I don't think many have much of an issue with it given that we are all responsible for the contents of all of our posts that can be seen by the tzibbur. That's the general approach, I think, as far as I can tell.

Now let's say member A posts "...#$%@ the profiles! ... then $%^& her! she was a *itch to begin with..." or member B posts "up (all of) yours" [the latter quote is an entire post so it's not a snippet], would it be within or against board guidelines for member Y to quote either of the quotes within his own signature and attribute those quotes to the original posters.

I'm wondering what the rules are.
My personal opinion is that if a post is within guidelines, then quoting the post in a signature should be within guidelines.
Spot
QUOTE(melech @ Jan 11 2008, 09:08 AM) *
Sure. Let's say member X says something about peeing against the fence. So member Y quotes the snippet of a quote in his own signature and attributes it to member X. That's what members do, and I don't think many have much of an issue with it given that we are all responsible for the contents of all of our posts that can be seen by the tzibbur. That's the general approach, I think, as far as I can tell.

Now let's say member A posts "...#$%@ the profiles! ... then $%^& her! she was a *itch to begin with..." or member B posts "up (all of) yours" [the latter quote is an entire post so it's not a snippet], would it be within or against board guidelines for member Y to quote either of the quotes within his own signature and attribute those quotes to the original posters.

I'm wondering what the rules are.
My personal opinion is that if a post is within guidelines, then quoting the post in a signature should be within guidelines.

thanks for explaining.
you're asking whether it's ok to quote something already posted in the site elsewhere. is that right?
melech
QUOTE(Spot @ Jan 11 2008, 09:19 AM) *
thanks for explaining.
you're asking whether it's ok to quote something already posted in the site elsewhere. is that right?

I'm asking whether it's ok to quote something already posted in the site elsewhere on an open thread and to quote that snippet within one's signature and to attribute the quote to the original poster.
Now I'm getting suspicious that I'm missing something because the question seems very obvious to me and I know you read the other thread.

Edited to add: I am speaking specifically of a case where it is know for a fact that the original post that is being quoted is within board guidelines. This would exclude, for example, someone who posts something and then the post is deleted by either himself or someone else, and then a third party quoting a saved version.
Spot
QUOTE(melech @ Jan 11 2008, 09:22 AM) *
I'm asking whether it's ok to quote something already posted in the site elsewhere on an open thread and to quote that snippet within one's signature and to attribute the quote to the original poster.
Now I'm getting suspicious that I'm missing something because the question seems very obvious to me and I know you read the other thread.

the answer seems very obvious to me since there was never a problem with it before, especially also since it's been done for ages and no one ever had a problem with it as a poster or a quoter.

that's what's making me believe i'm not understanding.
melech
QUOTE(Spot @ Jan 11 2008, 09:26 AM) *
the answer seems very obvious to me since there was never a problem with it before, especially also since it's been done for ages and no one ever had a problem with it as a poster or a quoter.

that's what's making me believe i'm not understanding.

Well, then, thank you for clarifying. I'm glad we're all on the same page. I appreciate that you took the time and effort to respond to the open post.
Elana
QUOTE(Spot @ Jan 11 2008, 09:26 AM) *
the answer seems very obvious to me since there was never a problem with it before, especially also since it's been done for ages and no one ever had a problem with it as a poster or a quoter.

that's what's making me believe i'm not understanding.


my thoughts exactly
melech
QUOTE(Elana @ Jan 11 2008, 09:29 AM) *
my thoughts exactly

It was obvious to me as well, but I didn't want to jump to conclusions. Sometimes what I think is obvious is not always so. I think I was not incorrect for asking for a clarification about something before doing it on h.com.

I'll give you another example - in other threads there was discussion about whether it's ok to post a list of previous screen names of members who changed their screen names and whose old posts still come up on their new names. To me, it was obvious it should be ok since it's public knowledge. However, before doing so, I solicited the opinions of the tzibbur. I still think there's nothing wrong with it, but because others objected, I didn't do it in the end. In other words, what is obvious to me is not always so and I think it's better to check if one has a question before doing something.
melech
QUOTE(melech @ Jan 11 2008, 09:32 AM) *
It was obvious to me as well, but I didn't want to jump to conclusions. Sometimes what I think is obvious is not always so. I think I was not incorrect for asking for a clarification about something before doing it on h.com.

I'll give you another example - in other threads there was discussion about whether it's ok to post a list of previous screen names of members who changed their screen names and whose old posts still come up on their new names. To me, it was obvious it should be ok since it's public knowledge. However, before doing so, I solicited the opinions of the tzibbur. I still think there's nothing wrong with it, but because others objected, I didn't do it in the end. In other words, what is obvious to me is not always so and I think it's better to check if one has a question before doing something.



Edited to add: Further proof that what is seemingly obvious to me is not always so:
http://www.hashkafah.com/index.php?s=&...st&p=963135
notreallyhere
My opinion on this is that it may be within board guidelines, but if the quoted member does not appreciate it, it's within the guidelines of mentchlichkeit to take it down.
melech
QUOTE(notreallyhere @ Jan 12 2008, 07:12 PM) *
My opinion on this is that it may be within board guidelines, but if the quoted member does not appreciate it, it's within the guidelines of mentchlichkeit to take it down.

Would it be within the guidelines of mentchlichkeit for the original poster to remove his or her offensive post if it's too offensive to quote?
notreallyhere
QUOTE(melech @ Jan 12 2008, 07:13 PM) *
Would it be within the guidelines of mentchlichkeit for the original poster to remove his or her offensive post if it's too offensive to quote?

I would think so. Obviously we can't be subject to the subjective feelings of every member, but if it's truly offensive and bothering people, it would be nice, but not required, for him/her to remove it.
General Patton
QUOTE(notreallyhere @ Jan 12 2008, 07:12 PM) *
My opinion on this is that it may be within board guidelines, but if the quoted member does not appreciate it, it's within the guidelines of mentchlichkeit to take it down.

I was going to post this, I'm glad you posted first. In my opinion, when you post something, you know that it's out there, for public consumption. However, quoting someone has a bit of subjectivity as well. If I take one sentence out of a 10 sentence rant, I most likely would be quoting out of context. Therefore, I believe that while you have the right to use whatever text you have in your sig, if the quotee objects, you should remove it from your signature.
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