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existwhere?

Jan 12 2008, 11:34 PM

QUOTE(daat.ac.il)

איומה כנדגלות
אין דגלים אלא צבאות, שנאמר: (במדבר ב, ג) דגל מחנה וצבאו ופקודיהם. וכן דגלי השמים והמלאכים ודגלי הארץ ישראל.
צבאות השמים מלאכים, שנאמר: (דה"ב יח, יח)וכל צבא השמים עומדים וגו'.
צבאות הארץ ישראל, שנאמר: (שמות יב, מא) יצאו כל צבאות ה' מארץ מצרים.
ואדון שניהם, הקדוש ברוך הוא וכשם שהכל יראים מן הקדוש ברוך הוא ומן המלאכים, כך העובדי כוכבים היו יראים מישראל, שנאמר: (דברים כח, י) וראו כל עמי הארץ כי שם ה' וגו' לכך נאמר: איומה כנדגלות, שדימה הקדוש ברוך הוא את ישראל למלאכים.

במלאכים נאמר: (ישעיה ו, ב) שרפים עומדים ממעל לו.
ובישראל נאמר: (דברים כט, ט) אתם נצבים היום.

המלאכים אומרים: בכל יום: קדוש קדוש קדוש.
וישראל אומרים: אלהי אברהם, אלהי יצחק, ואלהי יעקב.

המלאכים נקראו אש, דכתיב: (תהלים קד, ד) משרתיו אש לוהט.
וישראל כמו כן, דכתיב: (עובדיה א, יח) והיה בית יעקב אש.

המלאכים מתחדשין בכל יום ומקלסין להקדוש ברוך הוא והן חוזרין לנהר אש שיצאו ממנו, ושוב האלהים מחדשן ומחזירן כשם שהיו בראשונה, שנאמר: (איכה ג, כג) חדשים לבקרים.
כך ישראל, משתקעין בעונות מיצר הרע שיש בגופן וחוזרין בתשובה, והאלהים בכל שנה סולח לעונותיהם ומחדש לבם ליראתו, שנאמר: (יחזקאל לו, כו) ונתתי לכם לב חדש לכך כתיב: איומה כנדגלות:

Yehudi

Jan 12 2008, 11:48 PM

Why don't you in the future cite where themidrash is (i.e. Shemos Rabah 15:6).

Do you go through the Midrash (or parts of it) every week? by yourself? a shiur?

existwhere?

Jan 12 2008, 11:53 PM

QUOTE(Yehudi @ Jan 12 2008, 11:48 PM)

Why don't you in the future cite where themidrash is (i.e. Shemos Rabah 15:6).

Do you go through the Midrash (or parts of it) every week? by yourself? a shiur?

Because I usually don't notice and don't remember the numbers from inside. Thanks, I'll try to remember next time.

Sometimes with my father, sometimes myself.

Yehudi

Jan 12 2008, 11:57 PM

QUOTE(existwhere? @ Jan 12 2008, 11:53 PM)

Sometimes with my father, sometimes myself.

Do you start from the beginning and go through it, or do you just choose one that looks interesting?

what edition of the midrash do you use?

existwhere?

Jan 13 2008, 12:03 AM

Start from the beginning and go through.

Depends, sometimes the one with the Etz Yosef and sometimes the one with Maharzu.
What's your favorite peirush on midrash?

Yehudi

Jan 13 2008, 12:14 AM

QUOTE(existwhere? @ Jan 13 2008, 12:03 AM)

Start from the beginning and go through.

I see, Do you manage to finish it?

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Depends, sometimes the one with the Etz Yosef and sometimes the one with Maharzu.
What's your favorite peirush on midrash?

(why is it Maharzu? isn't the last letter a vov for wolf (as in "Zev volf")?

hmm I ma not sure if I have a favorite for the Midrash, I think I just check to see if anyone explains\comments on that particular piece, that said I guess its between the Matnas Kehuna, Maharz"v and the Yofeh Toar.

you go through Midrash Rabah right? the standard edition (or what used to be the standard edition) does not have the Etz Yosef, which is why I usually don't use it for Midrash Rabah (as opposed to Midrash Tanchuma).
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existwhere?

Jan 13 2008, 12:30 AM

QUOTE(Yehudi @ Jan 13 2008, 12:14 AM)

I see, Do you manage to finish it?

usually

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(looks like it ends with a vav, so it looks like shuruk, good to kinow)

Yes, Midrash Rabba (wasn't sure what you meant by edition)
The Tanchuma we have is a mini edition and doesn't have meforshim at all. Didn't know this wasn't the standard, as I've only seen the Etz Yosef on Midrash Rabba.

Yehudi

Jan 13 2008, 12:35 AM

QUOTE(existwhere? @ Jan 13 2008, 12:30 AM)

usually

nice.

(jealous)

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Yes, Midrash Rabba (wasn't sure what you meant by edition)
The Tanchuma we have is a mini edition and doesn't have meforshim at all. Didn't know this wasn't the standard, as I've only seen the Etz Yosef on Midrash Rabba.

Actually by edition I really meant if you use for example the Oz Vehadar new edition or Midrash Muvuar etc. but I think I got the answer, you are using and old print right?

existwhere?

Jan 13 2008, 12:41 AM

QUOTE(Yehudi @ Jan 13 2008, 12:35 AM)

nice.

(jealous)

(but I understand only about 50% of what I read at best)

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Actually by edition I really meant if you use for example the Oz Vehadar new edition or Midrash Muvuar etc. but I think I got the answer, you are using and old print right?

Right again.

Yehudi

Jan 13 2008, 12:48 AM

QUOTE(existwhere? @ Jan 13 2008, 12:41 AM)

(but I understand only about 50% of what I read at best)

Is that because you Sometimes learn with your father and sometimes yourself....?

(if you have the money to invest, or you have money that you don't know what to do with [yeah right] and you are serious about going through the Midrash, you might want to consider investing into a Midrash Rabbah Hamevuor)

existwhere?

Jan 13 2008, 12:53 AM

QUOTE(Yehudi @ Jan 13 2008, 12:48 AM)

Is that because you Sometimes learn with your father and sometimes yourself....?

it's because I don't get the concepts behind and what they're referring to.

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(if you have the money to invest, or you have money that you don't know what to do with [yeah right] and you are serious about going through the Midrash, you might want to consider investing into a Midrash Rabbah Hamevuor)

(it's wonderful when I have access to it)

Yehudi

Jan 13 2008, 12:58 AM

QUOTE(existwhere? @ Jan 13 2008, 12:53 AM)

it's because I don't get the concepts behind and what they're referring to.

well the Midrash is harder than it appears at first glance, and it isn't just "stories" as some people seem to believe, plus there are a lot of not so common words, I guess to do it properly one would need a study partner etc. (which I guess you do have)

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(it's wonderful when I have access to it)

So you are aware of it and do get access to it sometimes...good.

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