melech
Aug 12 2004, 04:20 PM
a quick head count reveals descendents of
the Chacham Tzvi/R. Yaakov Emden,
Rabbeinu Elimelech,
R. SR Hirsch,
R. Shlomo Ganzfried.
any others?
Pamello
Aug 12 2004, 04:21 PM
Sure

(Plus we are working on making our eniklech proud of us too

)
sasson
Aug 12 2004, 04:22 PM
<<think Sefardi>>
ShtarkOut
Aug 12 2004, 04:24 PM
Rashi
Maharshal
The Kotzker Rebbe
politico
Aug 12 2004, 04:36 PM
r' yosef karo, if geneological records are to be believed.
Snag
Aug 12 2004, 04:37 PM
Alter of Kelm
Shelah
Maharal
Rashi
Dovid Hamelech
Golem (JK - someone would have to say that sometime)
hashkcoffee
Aug 12 2004, 05:05 PM
I am descended from the Tosfos Yom Tov and the Rama.
geshtunken
Aug 12 2004, 05:06 PM
Shtinkelshmecker Rebbe?
egomaniac
Aug 12 2004, 06:04 PM
GR"A......
(chabadtzkers don't read this)
shim
Aug 12 2004, 07:00 PM
R' Yosef Chanina Lipa Meisles (a commentary found in tiny print way back in many editions of shas) and the Rupshitzer Rebbe, R' Naftoli.
And Avraham Yitzhak and Ya'akov and one of the shivtei kah (I think).
shim
Aug 12 2004, 07:01 PM
Incidentally, its not surprising that so many frum Jews have some kind of rabbinic yichus. The more learned Jews had more Jewishly educated families and I would assume more likely to have frum descendents. That's in part why Torah learning is so important for Jewish continuity.
Hashem_Yaazor
Aug 12 2004, 07:36 PM
I know of an oldie descended from the Chazon Ish.
There's a shady assumption that I might be directly descended from R' Spektor, but it can't be proven.
hafle
Aug 12 2004, 07:44 PM
Maharal mi'prague
Rashi through R"t
cynic
Aug 12 2004, 08:18 PM
The Divrei Chaim
The Bnei Yissaschar
(I assume the Baruch Taam)
The Belzer Rebbe
I'm probably forgetting some.
These are direct, others are just related.
sasson
Aug 13 2004, 08:29 AM
QUOTE
Hashem_Yaazor Posted on Aug 12 2004, 08:36 PM
I know of an oldie descended from the Chazon Ish.
I thought the Chazon Ish didn't have any children?
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hafle Posted on Aug 12 2004, 08:44 PM
Maharal mi'prague
Rashi through R"t
QUOTE
Snag Posted on Aug 12 2004, 05:37 PM
Alter of Kelm
Shelah
Maharal
Rashi
Dovid Hamelech
Doesn't that make hafle and snag cousins?
BasKohen
Aug 13 2004, 09:36 AM
Aharon HaKohen
Elana
Aug 13 2004, 10:18 AM
whenever ppl asked me my name (before i got married), the next question always was "r u related to Steipler?" the truth is, i don't know
melech
Aug 13 2004, 03:46 PM
for those (many) with incredible yuchasin:
has it had an effect on your lives? is it a source of pride (in a positive sense) or a burden (in a negative sense)? do you feel constrained with expectations? do you think your ancestor would be proud/pleased/satisfied/disappointed with the way you turned out? do you feel you emulate your illustrious ancestor? do you feel you have benefited from his blood? has it been adventageous at all, like in shidduchim or school? or is it just family trivia and you're indifferent? do you feel pressure to keep to a certain family derech?
jake7484
Aug 13 2004, 05:35 PM
this reminds me of a story...
i mekurav somebody once who was very far from the derech and he had a noncommitted (or so he thought) sexual relationship with a very sleazy descendant of the baal shem tov. when he wanted to become religious he dropped her and she was furious. sometimes when she would find him and flip out and stuff she would mention how she knows he enjoyed their time together and how he should be proud to be shtupping a desendcant of the besht. i told him to say, next time she mentiones her relation to the founder of chassidus, "and i bet he would be really proud of you".
she only needed to hear that once.
BasKohen
Aug 14 2004, 11:59 PM
QUOTE(melech @ Aug 13 2004, 04:46 PM)
for those (many) with incredible yuchasin:
has it had an effect on your lives? is it a source of pride (in a positive sense) or a burden (in a negative sense)? do you feel constrained with expectations? do you think your ancestor would be proud/pleased/satisfied/disappointed with the way you turned out? do you feel you emulate your illustrious ancestor? do you feel you have benefited from his blood? has it been adventageous at all, like in shidduchim or school? or is it just family trivia and you're indifferent? do you feel pressure to keep to a certain family derech?
Interesting questions, Melech.
In my family it is definitely a source of pride, and I try to ask myself at times if I am behaving in a way that would bring nachas to my 4x great grandfather. I am a big proponent of the Hirschian ideal, specifically Torah im derech eretz, although I am far from a baki on the subject. As for there being "perks", since I don't carry the family name it's not something that ppl would ever guess, and actually aside from close family friends not many ppl in my social sphere know. My siblings and I have always shied away from mentioning it to teachers, and I certainly never say anything to either shadchanim or the boys I date. Where I was raised it is considered distasteful and show-offy to broadcast things like yichus.
By the same token, yichus is relative (no pun intended). I am just as proud of (and more likely to talk about) my grandfather, a"h, who, though not a Rav, was an ehrlicheh Yid in every sense of the term and touched the heart of everyone who had the z'chus to meet him. If I am successful in raising children who will achieve his madreiga in bein adam lachaveiro, I will be very satisfied indeed.
mosheshmeal
Aug 15 2004, 08:53 PM
talking about yichus. lehavdil alfei havdules, bein kodesh lechol, in The Da Vinci Code, he mentions einiklech of yoshke. that there are family's famous for being able to trace their ancestry back to him. who did he marry/cohabit with? was she jewish?
mosheshmeal
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melech
Aug 15 2004, 09:04 PM
QUOTE(mosheshmeal @ Aug 15 2004, 09:53 PM)
who did he marry/cohabit with? was she jewish?
.
maybe
Mary MagdeleneI think there are some rumors about their "friendship". Was she the one who, shall we say, diplays physical affection for financial remuneration?
mosheshmeal
Aug 15 2004, 09:11 PM
thanks melech.
mosheshmeal
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miaminut
Aug 15 2004, 09:32 PM
QUOTE(jake7484 @ Aug 13 2004, 06:35 PM)
i told him to say, next time she mentiones her relation to the founder of chassidus, "and i bet he would be really proud of you".
Jake, yichus is like having "zero's" .
A person can be a desendant of 6 rebbes , but if they dont work on themselves it's like having a bunch of "zeros".
Its up to each person to turn themselves into a "digit" and transform the "zeros" into numbers.
200, 300. or for thos incredible yachsanim 200000. ;-)
(My family is eighth generation direct descendants from R' Mendel Riminov. )
mosheshmeal
Aug 15 2004, 09:35 PM
QUOTE(miaminut @ Aug 15 2004, 10:32 PM)
(My family is eighth generation direct descendants from R' Mendel Riminov. )
i saw something on AP about a small earthquake in rimanov... must have been ur zeidy turning over in his grave (and over and over....)
mosheshmeal
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sasson
Aug 15 2004, 09:52 PM
Oysh.
If only all of our Zeydes could learn in peace...
mosheshmeal
Aug 15 2004, 09:59 PM
on that note...
not sure of the source, or exact details, but it's known that some tzadikim and gedolim after they are nifter are zoiche to become part of the beis din shel maaloh.
a godol was once asked how this could be since all the places must be taken already, he answered that if a descendant of any of the beis din commits an aveiroh, then he's fired.
I think i've freed up a lot of space up there...
mosheshmeal
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miaminut
Aug 15 2004, 09:59 PM
QUOTE(mosheshmeal @ Aug 15 2004, 10:35 PM)
QUOTE(miaminut @ Aug 15 2004, 10:32 PM)
(My family is eighth generation direct descendants from R' Mendel Riminov. )
i saw something on AP about a small earthquake in rimanov... must have been ur zeidy turning over in his grave (and over and over....)
mosheshmeal
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Eight times. (to be exact)
sasson
Aug 15 2004, 10:11 PM
QUOTE
mosheshmeal Posted on Aug 15 2004, 10:59 PM
on that note...
not sure of the source, or exact details, but it's known that some tzadikim and gedolim after they are nifter are zoiche to become part of the beis din shel maaloh.
a godol was once asked how this could be since all the places must be taken already, he answered that if a descendant of any of the beis din commits an aveiroh, then he's fired.
I think i've freed up a lot of space up their...
mosheshmeal
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Don't want to go there, but if that's the criteria, who's left?
mosheshmeal
Aug 15 2004, 10:23 PM
QUOTE(sasson @ Aug 15 2004, 11:11 PM)
QUOTE
mosheshmeal Posted on Aug 15 2004, 10:59 PM
on that note...
not sure of the source, or exact details, but it's known that some tzadikim and gedolim after they are nifter are zoiche to become part of the beis din shel maaloh.
a godol was once asked how this could be since all the places must be taken already, he answered that if a descendant of any of the beis din commits an aveiroh, then he's fired.
I think i've freed up a lot of space up their...
mosheshmeal
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Don't want to go there, but if that's the criteria, who's left?
gedolim are going up quite often sadly.
i doubt every little aveirele would have such serious repercussions, but i'm not sure. they haven't replied to my emails. (jim carey...)
mosheshmeal
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egomaniac
Aug 15 2004, 11:38 PM
QUOTE(mosheshmeal @ Aug 15 2004, 10:35 PM)
QUOTE(miaminut @ Aug 15 2004, 10:32 PM)
(My family is eighth generation direct descendants from R' Mendel Riminov. )
i saw something on AP about a small earthquake in rimanov... must have been ur zeidy turning over in his grave (and over and over....)
mosheshmeal
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hear any news from Vilna??? i hear my zeide is just spinning so quickly it doesn't shake it just vibrates
mosheshmeal
Aug 16 2004, 12:06 AM
i'm strongly holding onto what little koach ha'histapkus I have.
mosheshmeal
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Deem
Aug 16 2004, 08:56 AM
QUOTE(Mindy @ Aug 12 2004, 06:05 PM)
I am descended from the Tosfos Yom Tov and the Rama.
we are related!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i am a descendant of the tosfos yom tov too! there is a book that was put out a little while ago called the unbroken chain. it is a listing of all his descendants. oh, and we are also related to Rashi and Dovid Hamelech through him.
Goober
Aug 16 2004, 08:57 AM
QUOTE
Deem Posted on Aug 16 2004, 09:56 AM
QUOTE (Mindy @ Aug 12 2004, 06:05 PM)
I am descended from the Tosfos Yom Tov and the Rama.
we are related!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i am a descendant of the tosfos yom tov too! there is a book that was put out a little while ago called the unbroken chain. it is a listing of all his descendants.
Wow Mazel Tov. another h.com engangment brewing...
hashkcoffee
Aug 16 2004, 09:17 AM
ahem, were both happily married... women

.
Goober
Aug 16 2004, 09:19 AM
QUOTE
Mindy Posted on Aug 16 2004, 10:17 AM
ahem, were both happily married... women .
Well well, either you can pull a Mcgreevy or you can have your children marry each other.
P.S. A hearty Mazel Tov on both of your past weddings.
Deem
Aug 16 2004, 10:45 AM
QUOTE(Goober @ Aug 16 2004, 10:19 AM)
P.S. A hearty Mazel Tov on both of your past weddings.
thank you very much
mosheshmeal
Aug 16 2004, 06:10 PM
QUOTE(Goober @ Aug 16 2004, 10:19 AM)
P.S. A hearty Mazel Tov on both of your past weddings.
as opposed to?
mosheshmeal
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melech
Aug 17 2004, 01:21 PM
QUOTE(BasKohen @ Aug 15 2004, 12:59 AM)
and actually aside from close family friends not many ppl in my social sphere know
and that would make us at h.com, what?
politico
Aug 17 2004, 01:23 PM
QUOTE(melech @ Aug 17 2004, 02:21 PM)
QUOTE(BasKohen @ Aug 15 2004, 12:59 AM)
and actually aside from close family friends not many ppl in my social sphere know
and that would make us at h.com, what?
outside her social sphere
BasKohen
Aug 17 2004, 01:32 PM
Didn't mean to downplay the role of h.com-ers at all, I certainly like to think of you as friends. I was referring to people w/ whom I've engaged in social interaction in person. There are only one or 2 people on h.com who have that claim to fame!
rel
Aug 18 2004, 04:11 AM
I am apparently a relative (as in a great great great great etc niece) of R'Shach ztl.
mashkiach
Aug 18 2004, 08:27 AM
QUOTE(geshtunken @ Aug 12 2004, 06:06 PM)
Shtinkelshmecker Rebbe?
ein ruach chachomim ........
mashkiach
Aug 18 2004, 08:36 AM
QUOTE(shim @ Aug 12 2004, 08:00 PM)
R' Yosef Chanina Lipa Meisles (a commentary found in tiny print way back in many editions of shas) and the Rupshitzer Rebbe, R' Naftoli.
And Avraham Yitzhak and Ya'akov and one of the shivtei kah (I think).
On average for every 30 years there is another generation. A person has 2 parents 4 grand parents and doubles it for every generation up. The shivteay-koh were approximately 3thousand years ago that makes it 100 generations ago. do your sums and work out if you are not an einikel from all of them (nearly impossible).
mashkiach
Aug 18 2004, 08:44 AM
QUOTE(Goober @ Aug 16 2004, 10:19 AM)
QUOTE
Mindy Posted on Aug 16 2004, 10:17 AM
ahem, were both happily married... women .
.......or you can have your children marry each other.
P.S. A hearty Mazel Tov on both of your past weddings.
lomir deleben
Q!SAT
Aug 22 2004, 04:17 AM
QUOTE(Deem @ Aug 16 2004, 09:56 AM)
QUOTE(Mindy @ Aug 12 2004, 06:05 PM)
I am descended from the Tosfos Yom Tov and the Rama.
we are related!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i am a descendant of the tosfos yom tov too! there is a book that was put out a little while ago called the unbroken chain. it is a listing of all his descendants. oh, and we are also related to Rashi and Dovid Hamelech through him.
Then I guess we're related too (Rashi and Dovid Hamelech)
mosheshmeal
Aug 22 2004, 08:36 PM
shabsi tzi and hertzel yemach shemom vezichrom left no yiddishe doros. no wonder.
mosheshmeal
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melech
Aug 23 2004, 04:45 AM
QUOTE(mosheshmeal @ Aug 22 2004, 09:36 PM)
shabsi tzi and hertzel yemach shemom vezichrom left no yiddishe doros. no wonder.
we've already discussed in another thread gedolim who, r"l, never had children. that, in and of itself, is not necessarily proof of divine displeasure.
mashkiach
Aug 23 2004, 07:30 AM
QUOTE(Mindy @ Aug 12 2004, 06:05 PM)
I am descended from the Tosfos Yom Tov and the Rama.
today is the 350th yohrzeit of the toisfes-yomtev (Tosfos Yom Tov for the gairim and bahl-tsheeves)
cynic
May 19 2005, 02:15 PM
QUOTE(shim @ Aug 12 2004, 08:00 PM)
R' Yosef Chanina Lipa Meisles (a commentary found in tiny print way back in many editions of shas) and the Rupshitzer Rebbe, R' Naftoli.
And Avraham Yitzhak and Ya'akov and one of the shivtei kah (I think).
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The topic today got me thinking about this and I remembered something else.
I'm one of only a handful of people in the world alive who is a descendent of all of the Ropshitzer's children.
So that means I'm related to you.
I just made your day, right?
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