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I heard an interesting interview recently on the Dov Hikind Show with Rabbi Ronnie Greenwald. AJOP is putting out a book titled “Twenty Most Asked Questions by Beis Yaakov Girls”. According to Rabbi Greenwald, the questions below are based on asking 1,500 “good” students, from 24 different Beis Yaakov schools.

1) Why can’t you talk to boys?
2) Can you listen to secular music?
3) About Moshiach

I’m curious what the other seventeen questions are smile.gif, but I would think that the next book should be “Twenty Most Asked Questions by Yeshivah Bachurim”.

http://www.beyondbt.com/?p=855#comment-113266


Interestingly enough, the following appeared in a periodical for the alumni of a certain Beis Yaakov, so here are 11 of the 20 questions:

doodlehead
unsure.gif at 7. Is that really such a popular question? blink.gif

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artscroll
AJOP surveryed 1500 girls from 24 Beis Yaakovs. So...yes, that was a popular question.
doodlehead
QUOTE(artscroll @ Jan 28 2008, 12:07 PM) *
AJOP surveryed 1500 girls from 24 Beis Yaakovs. So...yes, that was a popular question.

Interesting. In case I was thinking of joining a BY class, I am no longer interested.


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existwhere?
Thank you. That was very, very interesting.

artscroll
What, if anything, do you think this information "says?"
doodlehead
QUOTE(artscroll @ Jan 28 2008, 02:43 PM) *
What, if anything, do you think this information "says?"

They either don't listen in class, or classes need to be taught differently.

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Moshi
everyone one of these has been a subject of numerous h.com threads (except maybe the one about being "marks conscious"?), perhaps it means that BY girls have questions that are pretty similar to questions other frum jews ask?

They are all good questions, it's nice to see them in a list.

What I would like to see is a book that takes these questions, and poses them to 5 different Orthodox rabbis.
artscroll
QUOTE(doodlehead @ Jan 28 2008, 02:44 PM) *
They either don't listen in class, or classes need to be taught differently.

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What other sort of questions do you think should have featured prominently?
melech
QUOTE(Moshi @ Jan 28 2008, 02:53 PM) *
everyone one of these has been a subject of numerous h.com threads (except maybe the one about being "marks conscious"?), perhaps it means that BY girls have questions that are pretty similar to questions other frum jews ask?

Interesting observation.
(and I think there have been posts about the emphasis on marks, if not threads).
Or maybe it means the average h.com poster has a bit of a BY girl inside each of them.
existwhere?
QUOTE(artscroll @ Jan 28 2008, 02:43 PM) *
What, if anything, do you think this information "says?"

That they are thinking and should be getting answers to these questions from their teachers.
(I would like the full list, to prepare answers to for working with teens in a teaching capacity.)
QUOTE(Moshi @ Jan 28 2008, 02:53 PM) *
They are all good questions, it's nice to see them in a list.

What I would like to see is a book that takes these questions, and poses them to 5 different Orthodox rabbis.

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QUOTE(artscroll @ Jan 28 2008, 02:58 PM) *
What other sort of questions do you think should have featured prominently?

Offhand, I wish there was more interest in what girls can learn and why, what is the purpose of life, relationship with Hashem.
Nechama
QUOTE(artscroll @ Jan 28 2008, 02:43 PM) *
What, if anything, do you think this information "says?"

We dont talk enough to teens about teen things (boys, music, tnzious, marks/sem.. .all stuff non-jewish teens face as well)
We dont explain the idea of mesorah well and how we got here (prove Judaism, whats aylu v'aylo)
We dont explain relating to Hashem ( davening, bechira, moshiach, gigul)
existwhere?
QUOTE(melech @ Jan 28 2008, 03:06 PM) *
Or maybe it means the average h.com poster has a bit of a BY girl inside each of them.

The implications... laugh.gif
melech
QUOTE(existwhere? @ Jan 28 2008, 03:08 PM) *
Offhand, I wish there was more interest in what girls can learn and why, what is the purpose of life, relationship with Hashem.

What nagging questions about Judaism do you, [exiswhere? or anyone else] have that you wish you could get answers for from a Judaism expert?

notreallyhere
QUOTE(melech @ Jan 28 2008, 03:06 PM) *
Or maybe it means the average h.com poster has a bit of a BY girl inside each of them.

Maybe it means that BY girls are normal people.

QUOTE(melech @ Jan 28 2008, 03:13 PM) *
What nagging questions about Judaism do you, [exiswhere? or anyone else] have that you wish you could get answers for from a Judaism expert?

How are you supposed to have emunas chachomim when almost everything the "chachomim" say doesn't make sense to you?
doodlehead
QUOTE(artscroll @ Jan 28 2008, 02:58 PM) *
What other sort of questions do you think should have featured prominently?

You dont want me to answer that.

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artscroll
QUOTE(doodlehead @ Jan 28 2008, 03:27 PM) *
You dont want me to answer that.

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I do.
existwhere?
QUOTE(melech @ Jan 28 2008, 03:13 PM) *
What nagging questions about Judaism do you, [existwhere? or anyone else] have that you wish you could get answers for from a Judaism expert?

Not nagging, but things I don't fully understand (for most of the following, it's not that I don't have an explanation/s, I just don't understand to my satisfaction.):
What does "Avodas Hashem" mean?
How does davening relate to avodas Hashem?
Yedia vs. Bechira
After death, what happens?
Moshiach/Olam Haba
What's the difference between a Jew and a NonJew? (how come a person can become a Jew, but not vice versa?)
What does it mean that Hashem loves us and we love Him? (and substitute "love" with "fear")
Why do some people seem to have a harder life than others?

offhand, I can't possibly cover everything.
doodlehead
QUOTE(artscroll @ Jan 28 2008, 03:29 PM) *
I do.

Well lets just say that I have nothing against asking questions 3,4,10,11. Except that I just assume that they should know the answers by that age.

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Menachem E
wow
these girls cud become aish rabbis once they know those answers
existwhere,if u want answers to ur questions - check out aryeh kaplan's books - specifically handbook of jewish thought parts 1 and 2,faces and facets
and a little bit of rabbi nachman wouldnt hurt
Nechama
no only cows have cud.....
rolleyes.gif
Moshi
QUOTE(notreallyhere @ Jan 28 2008, 03:23 PM) *
How are you supposed to have emunas chachomim when almost everything the "chachomim" say doesn't make sense to you?


Credo quia absurdum.

But is it really true that "almost everything the "chachomim" say doesn't make sense to you?" Can you give an example?
Kalashnikover_Rebbe
QUOTE(notreallyhere @ Jan 28 2008, 10:23 PM) *
Maybe it means that BY girls are normal people.
How are you supposed to have emunas chachomim when almost everything the "chachomim" say doesn't make sense to you?

If what they said made sense you wouldn't need "emuna" now would you???

QUOTE(Menachem E @ Jan 28 2008, 11:05 PM) *
wow
these girls cud become aish rabbis once they know those answers

Sadly true...
But shouldn't every frum Jew be baki in these questions???
Menachem E
yea every jew should
i already got all my answers
notreallyhere
QUOTE(Kalashnikover_Rebbe @ Jan 28 2008, 04:24 PM) *
If what they said made sense you wouldn't need "emuna" now would you???

Right. But who decided that they're my chochomim? Who decides who's a gadol over you?
Penina
QUOTE(Menachem E @ Jan 28 2008, 04:27 PM) *
yea every jew should
i already got all my answers

uh, I think that is pretty presumptuous.
notreallyhere
Moshi: I'm not ignoring your post, I just don't think I want to get into specifics here. Melech's question was if there's something I would want to ask a Judaism expert...not something I want to throw around the greater h.com community.
Kalashnikover_Rebbe
QUOTE(notreallyhere @ Jan 28 2008, 11:32 PM) *
Right. But who decided that they're my chochomim? Who decides who's a gadol over you?

It's usually self evident. If not, maybe you should find yourself another "Godol"...
existwhere?
QUOTE(Menachem E @ Jan 28 2008, 04:05 PM) *
existwhere,if u want answers to ur questions - check out aryeh kaplan's books

Don't understand them.
QUOTE(notreallyhere @ Jan 28 2008, 04:37 PM) *
Moshi: I'm not ignoring your post, I just don't think I want to get into specifics here. Melech's question was if there's something I would want to ask a Judaism expert...not something I want to throw around the greater h.com community.

I agree that emunas chachamim is a very important issue, and would add how to deal with nuances of opinion between ours and others' chachamim and their followers.
krumlikeapretzel
QUOTE(Menachem E @ Jan 28 2008, 03:05 PM) *
...these girls cud become aish rabbis once they know those answers
I once heard a rumor that the Gush Katif zoo was doing an experiment where they were training a parrot to be an Aish rabbi. Last thing I heard was that the only needed a black hat that fit, but they were having a hard time finding it. Well, now we will never know, right?
QUOTE(Menachem E @ Jan 28 2008, 03:27 PM) *
...i already got all my answers

Would you mind sharing them here?
Menachem E
which ones do you want
i dont even know why one of the questions is sheidim
the gemara on daf vav in berachos talks about sheidim and whats the deal - they exist,we dont see them,if you bother them then they will bother u so whats the problem
krumlikeapretzel
QUOTE(Menachem E @ Jan 28 2008, 04:33 PM) *
which ones do you want
i dont even know why one of the questions is sheidim
the gemara on daf vav in berachos talks about sheidim and whats the deal - they exist,we dont see them,if you bother them then they will bother u so whats the problem
Good start.
Continue with the other answers... please
Menachem E
ok
the jewish music question
i dont think there is anything wrong with non jewish music unless its very bad rap with bad words
the beats that are used in jewish music r basically the sdame - jewsih music isnt much better
the concept of yedia/bechira and Aielu V'Aielu - many bigg Rabbonim like Rav Nachman and Rav Tzadok Hakohen basically say this and u can find the answer in Aryeh Kaplans books
basically there is no asnwer to the question that answers it 100 percent,there are answers that ppl give but if u look at them closely u will see they arent answers at all - rabbi nachman says that questions like thse stem from the chalal hapanoi - a realm where our minds cannot comprehend at - and rav tzadok says the same about aielu vaeilu - we have to wait for moshiach and this is where our emunah comes into play
there are answers for aielu vaielu - for example like this guys halacha is from hashems side of din while the others is chesed but thats still not a full answer
so have emunah
the other questions like how i do know what to fix if i dont what my tikkun is - basically in sefer bilvalvi mishkan eveneh part 1 - he talks about this and says that u cant do ur tiklkun rigth away - like if u have a door that needs fixing,but first u need a house to have a door - a foundation - torah and mitzvos and evnetually u get ur tikkun
r we all gilgulim - i dont know but if we are at least we were made into humans
the ari says in shaar hagilgulim that u cud be megalgel into a rock or a piece of grass or an animal and then its much harder ot have a ti,kkun so at least if u r a gilgul then at least ur in a body
um
what else......................
melech
QUOTE(Menachem E @ Jan 28 2008, 05:50 PM) *
what else......................

I'm a little surprised you are able to prove Judaism is true. Doesn't that take away our bechirah if it's absolutely provably true? But it's impressive that you are able to do what countless theologians and philosophers have not been able to do successfully for millenia.
And how do you know exactly what will happen in mashiach times? Regardless that even the Rambam didn't, how are you able to navigate among the many opinions among the rabbis to discern the one correct answer?
Arizona
QUOTE(Moshi @ Jan 28 2008, 11:53 AM) *
everyone one of these has been a subject of numerous h.com threads (except maybe the one about being "marks conscious"?), perhaps it means that BY girls have questions that are pretty similar to questions other frum jews ask?

They are all good questions, it's nice to see them in a list.

What I would like to see is a book that takes these questions, and poses them to 5 different Orthodox rabbis.


I agree. Could the 5 different rabbis be really different? (As in not all the same hashkafah, 3 are brother-in-law, a fourth is a cousin and all daven at the same shul.) I think it would be interesting to have respected rabbis from widely different hashkafahs answer them.
melech
QUOTE(Arizona @ Jan 28 2008, 06:11 PM) *
I agree. Could the 5 different rabbis be really different? (As in not all the same hashkafah, 3 are brother-in-law, a fourth is a cousin and all daven at the same shul.) I think it would be interesting to have respected rabbis from widely different hashkafahs answer them.

That actually sounds like an interesting project, to submit those questions to different rabbis, and ask them each to answer...It's probably doable - if you submit the questions to enough rabbis, maybe you'll get a number of responses...and you're right, it would be interesting to survey rabbis from across the spectrum of orthodoxy...

Just whatever you do, do NOT title the book, "Questions Jews Ask".
Menachem E
Melech, i didnt get up to that question and i probabaly wont answer it - i didnt say i can prove judaism true - its almost impossible to do that even though we know it is true - its called Emunah
and moshiach - u can tell the girls what the rambam said and they will be satisfied with that answer or tell em to read R Pinchos Winstons book on moshiach
melech
QUOTE(Menachem E @ Jan 28 2008, 06:20 PM) *
Melech, i didnt get up to that question and i probabaly wont answer it - i didnt say i can prove judaism true - its almost impossible to do that even though we know it is true - its called Emunah
and moshiach - u can tell the girls what the rambam said and they will be satisfied with that answer or tell em to read R Pinchos Winstons book on moshiach

Oh.
Menachem E
i was just answerig some questions from krum
i did some only and she didnt even reply yet
Arizona
QUOTE(melech @ Jan 28 2008, 03:15 PM) *
That actually sounds like an interesting project, to submit those questions to different rabbis, and ask them each to answer...It's probably doable - if you submit the questions to enough rabbis, maybe you'll get a number of responses...and you're right, it would be interesting to survey rabbis from across the spectrum of orthodoxy...

Just whatever you do, do NOT title the book, "Questions Jews Ask".


How about "Across the Spectrum"?

(j/k)
Moshi
QUOTE(melech @ Jan 28 2008, 06:15 PM) *
That actually sounds like an interesting project, to submit those questions to different rabbis, and ask them each to answer...It's probably doable - if you submit the questions to enough rabbis, maybe you'll get a number of responses...and you're right, it would be interesting to survey rabbis from across the spectrum of orthodoxy...

Just whatever you do, do NOT title the book, "Questions Jews Ask".


There is an Aronson Publishers book, I'll try to remember to look up the title when I get home, that approaches many very different educators, roshei yeshiva, etc. in Jerusalem and asks them all the same questions about their outlooks, their goals in life, their approaches, etc. It's pretty interesting, though I don't know who half of those educators are in the book.

This could be a similar project.

ETA:
Ah here it is:
In the Service of God
Arizona
QUOTE(Moshi @ Jan 28 2008, 03:28 PM) *
There is an Aronson Publishers book, I'll try to remember to look up the title when I get home, that approaches many very different educators, roshei yeshiva, etc. in Jerusalem and asks them all the same questions about their outlooks, their goals in life, their approaches, etc. It's pretty interesting, though I don't know who half of those educators are in the book.

This could be a similar project.

ETA:
Ah here it is:
In the Service of God


Cool.

If we're serious, h.com would actually be a great vehicle for such a project since we've got a wide base and can reach diverse rabbis. Any interest in compiling a list of questions and distributing them?
existwhere?
QUOTE(melech @ Jan 28 2008, 06:15 PM) *
That actually sounds like an interesting project, to submit those questions to different rabbis, and ask them each to answer...It's probably doable - if you submit the questions to enough rabbis, maybe you'll get a number of responses...and you're right, it would be interesting to survey rabbis from across the spectrum of orthodoxy...

Just whatever you do, do NOT title the book, "Questions Jews Ask".

What would you title the book?
melech
QUOTE(existwhere? @ Jan 28 2008, 07:33 PM) *
What would you title the book?

I like Arizona's suggestion of "Across the Spectrum".
Moshi
QUOTE(Arizona @ Jan 28 2008, 06:33 PM) *
Cool.

If we're serious, h.com would actually be a great vehicle for such a project since we've got a wide base and can reach diverse rabbis. Any interest in compiling a list of questions and distributing them?


TheRealAdiel once had such a suggestion, and it generated a longish thread, maybe 2 years ago?

let's see if accolade can find it smile.gif
krumlikeapretzel
QUOTE(Menachem E @ Jan 28 2008, 04:50 PM) *
... basically there is no asnwer to the question that answers it 100 percent,there are answers that ppl give but if u look at them closely u will see they arent answers at all - rabbi nachman says that questions like thse stem from the chalal hapanoi - a realm where our minds cannot comprehend...

Isn't that convenient?
Menachem E
so what
krumlikeapretzel
QUOTE(Menachem E @ Jan 28 2008, 10:47 PM) *
so what
So what?

I'll tell you so what...
By using weasel statements like that, you can prove whatever you want, so it's not a proof of anything.

I can tell you that there's a giant matzo ball that orbits the sun at the same distance of the Earth, but since it's exactly 180º away from the Earth on its orbit it can't be seen since it would  always be behind the sun from our vantage point, and when they got images of it on probes sent to explore other planets the government kept the information top secret.

Now disprove me.
Menachem E
we laready went thru this a gazillion times
in ur other thread about psychological proofs
there has to be some emunah - get some cuz u cant prove judaism 100 percent
here is something that rabbi nachman says
"It only makes sense that there are questions on G-d and the torah -why?cuz G-d isnt us and we're not g-d,G-d is a million times greater,bigger,spiritual,whatever than us - if there were no questions then g-d cud be one of us - so there has to be questions cuz u need emunah
krumlikeapretzel
QUOTE(Menachem E @ Jan 28 2008, 11:11 PM) *
we laready went thru this a gazillion times
in ur other thread about psychological proofs

You mean philosophical proofs, right?

Nobody is asking you to say you have the answers, so if you claim to you should be able to back up your statement. If you rely on emunah that's OK, but don't claim to have all the answers then. This is a whole less trivial than you think.
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