Hugh Everett argued that at the quantum level the universe is constantly splitting and every time it splits a new universe is born. In the Torah(I don't know where) but it says that Hashem is constantly recreating the world every second with some sort of verse. (If someone could provide a source please.)
I thought this was a really interesting connection.

On a side note did you hear that scientists all over the world are searching for the G-d particle? (are we as Jews allowed to think of G-d in scientific terms?) Scientits are questioning what causes an object to have mass. Technically objects can just exist in pure energy(E=mc2) Yet Higgs said that all of space throughout the entire universe is permeated with an invisible lattice work. It would be a “field” similar to the more familiar field created by electricity. Interactions within this so–called “Higgs’ field” may be what produce mass.
Now, the reigning scientific model of physics today, quantum theory predicts that if there is a field, then particles should exist which associate with it. These particles would be the missing G-d particles, which scientists are looking for.

Doesn't this implicate the "End of Days"? When it says in Navi that everyone will recognize that there is a creator of the universe? All these scientific findings are proof that there is a G-d. (Einsteins unifying theory- that there is one force that unifies everything) Just thinking about all this is mind boggeling.

There are plenty of unanswered questions in science that strongly suggest the existence of a God or gods and of a spiritual realm - What started the universe (since the big bang assumes there was a massive singularity, which itself had to come from something), what created the first living thing (as life only comes from life), the nature of human consciousness, etc. This doesn't necessarily prove anything, nor does it necessarily even suggest that there is a personal God, or that there is only one God, etc, but is a very strong argument in favor of the existence of God.

Mekubalim have been searching for this for centuries.... In fact, I saw it written that one of the only arguments that the world ACTUALLY exists and is not an illusion is the passuk "Bereshis BARA Elokim".....

You do realize that Everett's multiverse basically eliminates freedom of choice and thus any notion of a meaningful personal bechira?
It is probably the only interpretation of quantum mechanics that's not compatible with Judaism at its core.

This thread still didn't get any replies, and 24 hours certainly have passed since it was first posted.
(Yes, that's a hint.)

I like to but I don't know the answers..

It's fine; you're forgiven. You run Mac.

You don't know how to start threads....
They all seem to have the same fate...

neh, that's the easy way out. You're gonna make me lazy..

If we're going to start the popularity contest...
Out of my last 25 threads, seven were hot. Out of yours, only three were. :-P


I'm not too worried...

I don't think I've posted 25 serious threads in the history of H.com....

You don't say from the freedom of choice and bechira standpoints. I could settle the two in about 15 minutes at a whiteboard.

But I do have a relatively strong proof that the multiverse "simultaneous" quantum theory implementation can not be true in the usual populist understanding. If you'll unsettle that proof, I'll owe you ...

Explain? Do you have a coherent theory of bechira within the multiverse framework?



Explain again.

Why do you say that?

Every time a given person makes a choice the world is 'split' into n worlds - one for every of the n possible outcomes of the choice.

In effect, there are NO choices made, at all. All possible outcomes take place. Thus, for example, if someone has in front of him treif food, two universes will be created - one in which he ate it and one in which he didn't. This will happen 100% of the time, automatically. If you say choice was exercised, then by whom? Certainly not by the 'version' in the parent universe - since both sides of the decision materialized from him to create the child universi. And if you say by the child 'versions' - this too doesn't make sense, since they weren't even in existance at the time of the choice. They are created only as part of a universe which already includes the outcome.

Furthermore, the whole concept of choice is fundamentally linked to one's neshama/soul. It is this metaphysical entity that is responsible for making decisions and for getting sechar v'onesh, not the physical body (or brain/mind). If you have a world for each possible outcome of a decision, then what exactly does the soul decide? Which world to travel to? Then all the people in other worlds are just zombies without a neshama (and how is this manifested)? Absurd. Perhaps an infinite number of souls are created for every possible outcome of every choice a person makes in his life? Absurd. No matter, how you look at it, it doesn't make sense.

Furthermore, the Torah as a historical account of creation and subsequent events, must be viewed under Everett's interpretation as a history of just that universe which we happen to be in currently. For other worlds, there are other Torahs, substantially different than ours. Yet we know that the Torah is one and immutable!

If I did, it would be a rigoruos and strong theory that would include and supercede previous forays into this realm by luminaries such as R' Tzudok, R'MY Leiner and many other chassidishe thinkers and some rishonim as well; moreover, it might overlap on so many other interpretations of the subject as to be considered a very intricate heresy. So not just that it axiomatically can not exist, it's also one of those theories that possess quantum self-awareness property in that they are recursive and change their nature based on observations. So basically your question is morphic to the question of "are you still beating your children ?" .


It'll be too long, boring and incomprehensible.

Everett's MWI with shared time domain does not preclude communication between "universes" (for example by means of quantum coupling, but not necessarily so). If you will define a set of laws of nature and further will try to define a set of all possible universes compliant with these laws and constants defined in them you will arrive at conclusions that are explicitly not consistent with your own observable reality. In fact, one will absolutely have to drift off into axiomatically mystical assumptions. All that has been beaten to death by Goedel's gang

The "primordial" Torah is one and immutable. How it manifests itself in each respective universe can differ. Its like light being viewed thru different color prisms. Its one light that appears different depending on the particular vantage point of the viewer.

The whitespace in ST is about as important as the ink ...

Purely out of curiousity, where did y'all get so familiar with Everett's multiverse thingamajig?

All I asked was a simple question. Whether you have a theory of bechira within the framework of MWI or not. The answer is either yes or no. I take the above to imply that it is "no". If it is a yes, then please spell out this theory.

Also, why do you say that axiomatically it can not exist? Prove that.



First of all, MWI does preclude communication between universes - the only communication that can exist are interference effects between systems that have not yet decohered in state.

Second, how exactly will I get from the set of all possible universi compliant with some axiomatic laws to conclusions inconsistent with my reality? Spell it out please.

Third, what axiomatically mystical assumptions are you talking about?

This is just one of the points. What about the other points I made?

Also, if we adopt your view then, purely technically, it could be that the set of possibly Torahs is infinite and includes all possibilities. For example, a torah that allows murder or idol worship etc. ch"v. It's not so pashut.

I dont think so. For even in the alternate universes there are basic laws and parameters that are its basis. So would it be with the Torah.

Not according to MWI. According to MWI, basically all possible universes with all possible laws are possible. As long as they are consistent with the equations of quantum mechanics.

Can someone please give me a few books to read on Quantum Mechanics and Torah?

A book on Quantum Mechanics and a book on Torah? Or a book on (Quantum Mechanics And Torah)?

If you find the latter, let me know too.

The latter.

To be honest, I don't know enough about Everret's MWI to decide if in fact it coincides with Torah principles.

There is a book called Fingerprints on the Universe in which he touches on these issues. However not as in depth as you are seeking,I'm sure.

It can work, if you shmush around most of Torah and most of science.

Nu?

Articles, etc... Why is it different than any other subject that people can get familiar with?

The Tao of Physics is half decent if you're into that sort of thing. Not Torah per se but nevertheless. . . I'm pretty suspicious of these kinds of books though, so I wasn't really so into it.

never heard of it.

There's a book Torah and Existence by Dr. Zimmerman. I think it discusses relativity somewhere, but haven't read it.