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mosheshmeal
Your spouse doesn't let you have a milchig chocolate bar because they just had a fleishig supper.

Reasonable, or not? Acceptable, or not? Grounds for divorce, or not? Adorable, or not?

mosheshmeal
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Arizona
Not reasonable. Not grounds for divorce.

And what do you mean by "let"?
greentiger
Spouse messing with my chocolate eating is never acceptable. mad.gif
Pinchas
I don't understand the question. Please elaborate on the spouse's concern.
Kalashnikover_Rebbe
QUOTE (mosheshmeal @ Feb 7 2008, 06:22 AM) *
Your spouse doesn't let you have a milchig chocolate bar because they just had a fleishig supper.

Reasonable, or not? Acceptable, or not? Grounds for divorce, or not? Adorable, or not?

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Bezalel99
You confused me with "they," and I first read that as "you (plural)," in other words, meaning that my spouse and I would both be fleishig. In that case, I would want my spouse to remind me not to sin by eating the milchig chocolate.

However, if "they" was a grammatical mistake for "he/she," then you meant that the spouse was fleishig, but that I was milchig or parve. In that case, it sounds as though my spouse would not want me to enjoy something that I'm halachically allowed to enjoy, simply because she could not partake in the same thing. I would not approve of such an outlook. But of course it depends on the manner in which the spouse made the statement, as it could have been meant in a teasing way, in which case it might be adorable, and might warrant a quick trip to the store to buy some parve chocolate to give to the spouse.
Shuli
QUOTE (Bezalel99 @ Feb 7 2008, 02:53 PM) *
You confused me with "they," and I first read that as "you (plural)," in other words, meaning that my spouse and I would both be fleishig. In that case, I would want my spouse to remind me not to sin by eating the milchig chocolate.

However, if "they" was a grammatical mistake for "he/she," then you meant that the spouse was fleishig, but that I was milchig or parve. In that case, it sounds as though my spouse would not want me to enjoy something that I'm halachically allowed to enjoy, simply because she could not partake in the same thing. I would not approve of such an outlook. But of course it depends on the manner in which the spouse made the statement, as it could have been meant in a teasing way, in which case it might be adorable, and might warrant a quick trip to the store to buy some parve chocolate to give to the spouse.


Can you please give an example of how it might be phrased in such a way that it was so adorable, the spouse actually warranted a trip to the store davka for their own chocolate?
Bezalel99
QUOTE (Shuli @ Feb 7 2008, 02:16 PM) *
Can you please give an example of how it might be phrased in such a way that it was so adorable, the spouse actually warranted a trip to the store davka for their own chocolate?


She gives an exaggerated frown and sniffs, and says, as though holding back tears, "You're going to eat that yummy chocolate even though I can't have any now?"
Margaux
QUOTE (Kalashnikover_Rebbe @ Feb 7 2008, 12:21 PM) *
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Kalashnikover_Rebbe
QUOTE (Bezalel99 @ Feb 7 2008, 08:53 PM) *
You confused me with "they," and I first read that as "you (plural)," in other words, meaning that my spouse and I would both be fleishig. In that case, I would want my spouse to remind me not to sin by eating the milchig chocolate.

However, if "they" was a grammatical mistake for "he/she," then you meant that the spouse was fleishig, but that I was milchig or parve. In that case, it sounds as though my spouse would not want me to enjoy something that I'm halachically allowed to enjoy, simply because she could not partake in the same thing. I would not approve of such an outlook. But of course it depends on the manner in which the spouse made the statement, as it could have been meant in a teasing way, in which case it might be adorable, and might warrant a quick trip to the store to buy some parve chocolate to give to the spouse.

Whoosh....
Remember who started this thread...
Bezalel99
QUOTE (Kalashnikover_Rebbe @ Feb 7 2008, 03:52 PM) *
Whoosh....
Remember who started this thread...

Meaning? That it isn't supposed to be a serious question?
mosheshmeal
QUOTE (Arizona @ Feb 7 2008, 09:05 AM) *
Not reasonable. Not grounds for divorce.

Thank you.

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And what do you mean by "let"?

Within normal bounds of accepted marital behavior.

QUOTE (Pinchas @ Feb 7 2008, 09:19 AM) *
I don't understand the question. Please elaborate on the spouse's concern.

The spouse is concerned about bussor bechulov.


QUOTE (Bezalel99 @ Feb 7 2008, 02:53 PM) *
You confused me with "they," and I first read that as "you (plural)," in other words, meaning that my spouse and I would both be fleishig. In that case, I would want my spouse to remind me not to sin by eating the milchig chocolate.

Me with they? I don't follow.

mosheshmeal
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Bezalel99
QUOTE (mosheshmeal @ Feb 7 2008, 05:52 PM) *
Me with they? I don't follow.

I will defer to a teacher of grammar.

In any event, I would be happy to be reminded that I'm fleishig.
mosheshmeal
QUOTE (Bezalel99 @ Feb 7 2008, 07:01 PM) *
In any event, I would be happy to be reminded that I'm fleishig.

Is that in reply to my question?

mosheshmeal
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Bezalel99
QUOTE (mosheshmeal @ Feb 7 2008, 06:03 PM) *
Is that in reply to my question?


I hope so. I would consider the spouse to be reaonable, acceptable, not grounds for divorce, and possibly adorable (depending on her exact words and what happened afterwards).
Kalashnikover_Rebbe
QUOTE (Bezalel99 @ Feb 8 2008, 01:01 AM) *
In any event, I would be happy to be reminded that I'm fleishig.

You're NOT fleishig, SHE is hence the "problem"...
mosheshmeal
Perhaps this is an halachic question.

May you french-kiss someone if you are fleishig and they are milchig?

mosheshmeal
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brianna
You know listerine comes in these wonderful mini containers you can put in your purse. They are especially handy for such situations. A drink of water and a quick rinse with the stuff should solve the problem.
mosheshmeal
QUOTE (brianna @ Feb 9 2008, 10:42 PM) *
You know listerine comes in these wonderful mini containers you can put in your purse. They are especially handy for such situations. A drink of water and a quick rinse with the stuff should solve the problem.

Wow, so no more 6 hours?

mosheshmeal
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Nooch
Mosheshmeal,I thought peach was pareve...
brianna
QUOTE (mosheshmeal @ Feb 9 2008, 09:49 PM) *
Wow, so no more 6 hours?

Did I say that? I'm talking about being fleishig and kissing someone who recently ate chocolate. If you each follow the procedure I described before any kissing activity commences, what's the problem?
mosheshmeal
QUOTE (Nooch @ Feb 9 2008, 10:53 PM) *
Mosheshmeal,I thought peach was pareve...

My son, you're confusing hoidi with kish.

mosheshmeal
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Nooch
QUOTE (mosheshmeal @ Feb 9 2008, 10:01 PM) *
My son, you're confusing hoidi with kish.

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Gut gezugt.
greentiger
Shmeal, couldn't you just bump up the old thread we had with this question?
doodlehead
QUOTE (greentiger @ Feb 10 2008, 03:18 AM) *
Shmeal, couldn't you just bump up the old thread we had with this question?

Someones gonna have to castrate themselves...

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lyric
I'm presuming this isn't a serious question.

Allowing myself to get swept along by the possibility that it is... if I ate milchig chocolate and wanted to snog someone who was fleishig, I'd rinse my mouth out well and go for it. If that someone wanted to stop me eating the chocolate I'd tell him to %^&*%^ off.
mosheshmeal
QUOTE (greentiger @ Feb 10 2008, 04:18 AM) *
Shmeal, couldn't you just bump up the old thread we had with this question?

I don't recall my original question being asked, please link.

QUOTE (doodlehead @ Feb 10 2008, 06:57 AM) *
Someones gonna have to castrate themselves...

Hold off on that chainsaw till GT gets back to me.

QUOTE (lyric @ Feb 10 2008, 03:00 PM) *
I'm presuming this isn't a serious question.

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Allowing myself to get swept along by the possibility that it is... if I ate milchig chocolate and wanted to snog someone who was fleishig, I'd rinse my mouth out well and go for it. If that someone wanted to stop me eating the chocolate I'd tell him to %^&*%^ off.

Thank you.

mosheshmeal
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lyric
QUOTE (mosheshmeal @ Feb 10 2008, 10:22 PM) *
Thank you.

mosheshmeal
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mosheshmeal
QUOTE (lyric @ Feb 10 2008, 06:38 PM) *
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For answering the question.

mosheshmeal
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Pinchas
QUOTE (mosheshmeal @ Feb 11 2008, 01:44 AM) *
For answering the question.

mosheshmeal
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Don't mess with chochlote. It's the first commandment.
lyric
What would actually happen is someone would say to me "you eating chocolate??? I thought you were meant to be on a DIET...." and ruin all my fun.

It's like when I got into walking everywhere instead of driving. I made such a big deal of it that when I mellowed a little and started taking the car from time to time I was met with barrages of mockery. "EUUW, you're DRIVING....."

greentiger
I'll get back to you later. It was in the halacha section if I recal correctly.

Edit:
Here ya go: http://www.hashkafah.com/index.php?showtopic=39726&hl=
whypeas?
QUOTE (lyric @ Feb 10 2008, 02:00 PM) *
I'm presuming this isn't a serious question.

In that case, check out the last daf in gitten (92a) as to what is and what isnt grounds for divorce.
mosheshmeal
QUOTE (greentiger @ Feb 11 2008, 01:31 AM) *
I'll get back to you later. It was in the halacha section if I recal correctly.

Edit:
Here ya go: http://www.hashkafah.com/index.php?showtopic=39726&hl=

That is completely different than my original question in this thread.

mosheshmeal
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Pinchas
QUOTE (greentiger @ Feb 11 2008, 07:31 AM) *
I'll get back to you later. It was in the halacha section if I recal correctly.

Edit:
Here ya go: http://www.hashkafah.com/index.php?showtopic=39726&hl=


MS - Reusing topics? I am very unimpressed! dry.gif

(That something a newbie would do...)

QUOTE (mosheshmeal @ Feb 11 2008, 12:58 PM) *
That is completely different than my original question in this thread.

mosheshmeal
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Tell that to the judge.
greentiger
QUOTE (mosheshmeal @ Feb 11 2008, 01:58 PM) *
That is completely different than my original question in this thread.

mosheshmeal
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Same idea.
doodlehead
QUOTE (mosheshmeal @ Feb 11 2008, 05:58 AM) *
That is completely different than my original question in this thread.

mosheshmeal
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I think you should compromise and just cut off one of them.

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lyric
QUOTE (whypeas? @ Feb 11 2008, 10:35 AM) *
In that case, check out the last daf in gitten (92a) as to what is and what isnt grounds for divorce.


As I am extremely unlikely to check out the last daf in gittin (92a) or any other daf of gemorrah, I will allow you the honors of telling me. I find it hard to believe the last daf in gittin says it is grounds for divorce if you refuse to stop eating milchige chocolate.
melech
QUOTE (lyric @ Feb 11 2008, 10:49 AM) *
As I am extremely unlikely to check out the last daf in gittin (92a) or any other daf of gemorrah, I will allow you the honors of telling me. I find it hard to believe the last daf in gittin says it is grounds for divorce if you refuse to stop eating milchige chocolate.

Don't worry about it. Very, very few people know what's written on Gittin 92a.
lyric
QUOTE (melech @ Feb 11 2008, 03:57 PM) *
Don't worry about it. Very, very few people know what's written on Gittin 92a.


Why? Doesn't it exist or something?
mosheshmeal
QUOTE (Pinchas @ Feb 11 2008, 06:59 AM) *
MS - Reusing topics? I am very unimpressed! dry.gif

No, I did not. You are perpetuating moitzi-shem-ra.

QUOTE (greentiger @ Feb 11 2008, 07:26 AM) *
Same idea.

So all topics about similar ideas are automatically the same?

The other thread was asking about the kashrus/halachic side of actually do it. My question is regarding forbidding one's spouse from causing the possible problem.

Hoidi mit kish, as I said above.

QUOTE (doodlehead @ Feb 11 2008, 09:14 AM) *
I think you should compromise and just cut off one of them.

If I was in the wrong I'd gladly hand you the chainsaw myself.

mosheshmeal
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Margaux
QUOTE (mosheshmeal @ Feb 11 2008, 10:50 PM) *
Hoidi mit kish, as I said above.


lol!

QUOTE (mosheshmeal @ Feb 11 2008, 10:50 PM) *
If I was in the wrong I'd gladly hand you the chainsaw myself.


Chainsaw?
mosheshmeal
QUOTE (Gretchen @ Feb 12 2008, 02:55 AM) *
Chainsaw?

Chainsaw.

mosheshmeal
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pleats
QUOTE (melech @ Feb 11 2008, 10:57 AM) *
Don't worry about it. Very, very few people know what's written on Gittin 92a.

Is that the one about ditching your wife if you find someone prettier?
(n/m, I just checked- that's Gittin 90a.)
doodlehead
QUOTE (mosheshmeal @ Feb 11 2008, 10:50 PM) *
If I was in the wrong I'd gladly hand you the chainsaw myself.

mosheshmeal
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How gladly exactly? I do semi-castrations ve-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-ery sloooooowwly.

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