Is it absolutely necessary to remove wedding rings for netilas yadaim?
What about a bandaid on your finger?
Full Version: Wedding bands and band-aids and Netilas yadaim
QUOTE (Moshi @ Feb 19 2008, 11:02 AM) 
Is it absolutely necessary to remove wedding rings for netilas yadaim?
What about a bandaid on your finger?
What about a bandaid on your finger?
No and no, though there is always the answer "it depends on who you ask."
With wedding rings, I believe the rule is that if you knead dough with it and you sleep in it and shower in it, you can keep it on for netilas yadaim but not for mikvah since it's a higher standard of purity necessary. I don't know the source for that, but I know it has been told to me by multiple rabbis.
QUOTE (Penina @ Feb 19 2008, 11:30 AM)
With wedding rings, I believe the rule is that if you knead dough with it and you sleep in it and shower in it
....then you clearly either have a really big ring, or you are really tiny.
QUOTE (Penina @ Feb 19 2008, 08:30 AM)
With wedding rings, I believe the rule is that if you knead dough with it and you sleep in it and shower in it, you can keep it on for netilas yadaim but not for mikvah since it's a higher standard of purity necessary. I don't know the source for that, but I know it has been told to me by multiple rabbis.
I've heard this before on h.com but have yet to hear this from a rabbi (disclaimer: I've never specifically asked.)
Even though I do knead dough, sleep, and shower wearing it, I still remove it for netilas yadaim.
never heard of removing band aid.
i always took off the wedding band, although i read here that some don't (never asked a rav either)
i always took off the wedding band, although i read here that some don't (never asked a rav either)
http://www.torah.org/advanced/weekly-halacha/5760/emor.html
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QUESTION: Are men or women required to remove their rings before washing their hands for a meal?
ANSWER: Generally, yes. A ring is considered a chatzitzah since the water cannot easily reach all parts of the finger while it is worn. Even though a loose-fitting ring does allow the water to reach the entire finger, the poskim maintain that it is difficult to assess what exactly is considered loose and what is considered tight. L'chatchilah, therefore, all rings should be removed before washing(6). B'dieved, though, one who forgot to remove his ring and has already washed, need not wash his hands over, as long as the ring fits loosely around the finger(7). [When in doubt if the ring is loose or not, the washing should be repeated but the blessing should not.]
The rule that an object such as a ring is considered a chatzitzah applies only to men or women who sometimes, even on rare occasions, remove their ring from their finger. The occasional removal signifies that the person is sometimes particular about having the ring on his finger, rendering it a chatzitzah. It follows, therefore, that men or women who never take their ring off, even when kneading dough or performing manual labor, may wash their hands for a meal while wearing a ring(8).
QUESTION: Is a band-aid protecting an open wound [from bleeding, infection or pain] considered a chatzitzah?
ANSWER: No. Indeed, the area which the band-aid is protecting does not need not to be washed at all. Care should be taken, however, that at least 3.3 fl. oz. of water is poured over the rest of the hand(9).
It frequently happens, however, that the wound which was originally protected by the band-aid has healed and the band-aid no longer serves as protection. In such a case, the band aid must be removed before the washing. If it was not, the washing may be invalid(10).
ANSWER: Generally, yes. A ring is considered a chatzitzah since the water cannot easily reach all parts of the finger while it is worn. Even though a loose-fitting ring does allow the water to reach the entire finger, the poskim maintain that it is difficult to assess what exactly is considered loose and what is considered tight. L'chatchilah, therefore, all rings should be removed before washing(6). B'dieved, though, one who forgot to remove his ring and has already washed, need not wash his hands over, as long as the ring fits loosely around the finger(7). [When in doubt if the ring is loose or not, the washing should be repeated but the blessing should not.]
The rule that an object such as a ring is considered a chatzitzah applies only to men or women who sometimes, even on rare occasions, remove their ring from their finger. The occasional removal signifies that the person is sometimes particular about having the ring on his finger, rendering it a chatzitzah. It follows, therefore, that men or women who never take their ring off, even when kneading dough or performing manual labor, may wash their hands for a meal while wearing a ring(8).
QUESTION: Is a band-aid protecting an open wound [from bleeding, infection or pain] considered a chatzitzah?
ANSWER: No. Indeed, the area which the band-aid is protecting does not need not to be washed at all. Care should be taken, however, that at least 3.3 fl. oz. of water is poured over the rest of the hand(9).
It frequently happens, however, that the wound which was originally protected by the band-aid has healed and the band-aid no longer serves as protection. In such a case, the band aid must be removed before the washing. If it was not, the washing may be invalid(10).
Moshi, which kind of netilas yadayim? I think there may be a different ruling for netilas yadayim in the morning and netilas yadayim before bread (the former might be less strict).
The rule that an object such as a ring is considered a chatzitzah applies only to men or women who sometimes, even on rare occasions, remove their ring from their finger. The occasional removal signifies that the person is sometimes particular about having the ring on his finger, rendering it a chatzitzah. It follows, therefore, that men or women who never take their ring off, even when kneading dough or performing manual labor, may wash their hands for a meal while wearing a ring(8).
There could be reason to believe that a yachid/yechida who is not madpid/makpida would still have to remove the ring simply because the majority of the population considers it a chatzitza. If you look inside the Shulchan Aruch (I forgot where), you'll see that (if I recall correctly) a person for sure has to remove an "even tov." (Or maybe "yakar." I forget.)
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The rule that an object such as a ring is considered a chatzitzah applies only to men or women who sometimes, even on rare occasions, remove their ring from their finger. The occasional removal signifies that the person is sometimes particular about having the ring on his finger, rendering it a chatzitzah. It follows, therefore, that men or women who never take their ring off, even when kneading dough or performing manual labor, may wash their hands for a meal while wearing a ring(8).
There could be reason to believe that a yachid/yechida who is not madpid/makpida would still have to remove the ring simply because the majority of the population considers it a chatzitza. If you look inside the Shulchan Aruch (I forgot where), you'll see that (if I recall correctly) a person for sure has to remove an "even tov." (Or maybe "yakar." I forget.)
QUOTE (accolade @ Feb 19 2008, 09:24 PM)
Moshi, which kind of netilas yadayim? I think there may be a different ruling for netilas yadayim in the morning If you look inside the Shulchan Aruch (I forgot where), you'll see that (if I recall correctly) a person for sure has to remove an "even tov." (Or maybe "yakar." I forget.)
Even tov.
OC 161:19.
QUOTE (melech @ Feb 19 2008, 09:28 PM)
Even tov.
OC 161:19.
OC 161:19.
Thanks!
QUOTE (Penina @ Feb 19 2008, 11:30 AM)
With wedding rings, I believe the rule is that if you knead dough with it and you sleep in it and shower in it, you can keep it on for netilas yadaim but not for mikvah since it's a higher standard of purity necessary. I don't know the source for that, but I know it has been told to me by multiple rabbis.
I heard a long long time ago in a land far far away from Chacham Ovadiah Yussef that p'sak as well as if you wear a watch all the time on your wrist, it is not considered a chastizah when putting on teffilin
QUOTE (mendelbaum666 @ Feb 27 2008, 08:51 PM)
I heard a long long time ago in a land far far away from Chacham Ovadiah Yussef that p'sak as well as if you wear a watch all the time on your wrist, it is not considered a chastizah when putting on teffilin
Not because it's not a chatzitzah, but because one doesn't need to be makpid on chatzitzot between the straps and the arm, as per the Rama. Depends whom one asks, of course.
QUOTE (Penina @ Feb 19 2008, 11:30 AM)
With wedding rings, I believe the rule is that if you knead dough with it and you sleep in it and shower in it, you can keep it on for netilas yadaim but not for mikvah since it's a higher standard of purity necessary. I don't know the source for that, but I know it has been told to me by multiple rabbis.
Anything that is considered a 'chatzitza' when toiveling the entire body, is considered the same for netilas-yodayim - SA 161:1
And if [the ring] was tight, the washing was/is not effective in a case where he is sometimes careful to remove it, for instance [a ring] containing a precious stone, which he is careful with when washing, so that it doesn't become dirtied by the water. And regarding a woman, even a ring with no 'even tovah', [since] it is usual for her to remove it when kneading dough, it is always considered a 'chatzitza', even though she isn't particular about removing [the ring] to avoid getting it wet. However regarding men (who don't usually knead), there is no need to remove a ring with no precious stone before washing, even if it isn't loose, since he's never particular about removing it. - SA Harav 161:7, (based on the Raavad,Rashal, Taz, MA, etc. The ktzos-hashulchan in 33:1 elaborates further.)
QUOTE (BLUERIVER @ Mar 2 2008, 01:42 AM)
Anything that is considered a 'chatzitza' when toiveling the entire body, is considered the same for netilas-yodayim - SA 161:1
And if [the ring] was tight, the washing was/is not effective in a case where he is sometimes careful to remove it, for instance [a ring] containing a precious stone, which he is careful with when washing, so that it doesn't become dirtied by the water. And regarding a woman, even a ring with no 'even tovah', [since] it is usual for her to remove it when kneading dough, it is always considered a 'chatzitza', even though she isn't particular about removing [the ring] to avoid getting it wet. However regarding men (who don't usually knead), there is no need to remove a ring with no precious stone before washing, even if it isn't loose, since he's never particular about removing it. - SA Harav 161:7, (based on the Raavad,Rashal, Taz, MA, etc. The ktzos-hashulchan in 33:1 elaborates further.)
And if [the ring] was tight, the washing was/is not effective in a case where he is sometimes careful to remove it, for instance [a ring] containing a precious stone, which he is careful with when washing, so that it doesn't become dirtied by the water. And regarding a woman, even a ring with no 'even tovah', [since] it is usual for her to remove it when kneading dough, it is always considered a 'chatzitza', even though she isn't particular about removing [the ring] to avoid getting it wet. However regarding men (who don't usually knead), there is no need to remove a ring with no precious stone before washing, even if it isn't loose, since he's never particular about removing it. - SA Harav 161:7, (based on the Raavad,Rashal, Taz, MA, etc. The ktzos-hashulchan in 33:1 elaborates further.)
Oh. So, no need to remove it after all??
And what if a woman doesn't knead dough?
QUOTE (Moshi @ Mar 2 2008, 10:16 AM)
Oh. So, no need to remove it after all??
And what if a woman doesn't knead dough?
And what if a woman doesn't knead dough?
It seems that a man need never remove a plain ring, whether loose or tight, whereas a woman may well always need to remove any type of ring. I have never kneaded dough, but I'd imagine that the only way to knead dough and keep a ring on would be if the ring was a tight fit. This itself would certainly mean that a woman would have to remove it. I'm not here to issue any rulings, merely to add some information. Since the major poskim dealt with this issue hundreds of years ago, and it is possible that certain behaviours have changed, one would be best served by asking a competent rov. The SA seems quite clear that, regardless of whether a particular woman kneads dough or not, with or without her ring on, the halacha is formed based on the habit of the majority.
QUOTE (Moshi @ Feb 19 2008, 11:02 AM)
What about a bandaid on your finger?
IIRC, as long as the bandaid is something that will stay on for a few days, even if you may change it, it's considered, (for purposes of netilas-yodayim) part of the hand, and need not be removed.
I almost never remove my rings. If I did, I probably would've lost them long ago.
QUOTE (LoveToLaugh @ Mar 2 2008, 11:11 PM)
I almost never remove my rings.
The almost in your sentence is very meaningful to the subject at hand.
QUOTE (accolade @ Mar 3 2008, 07:05 AM)
The almost in your sentence is very meaningful to the subject at hand.
I think based on what Blueriver quoted, it would depend on when and why she takes it off. Based on what I quoted, it wouldn't make a different when or why.
QUOTE (accolade @ Mar 3 2008, 07:05 AM)
The almost in your sentence is very meaningful to the subject at hand.
THink once a month or less frequently.
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