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Who do you think is more ‘bothered’ by the other’s activities/beliefs?

The LW Orthodox Community of the Right; or the RW Orthodox Community of the Left?
Very Lucky Guy
I think RW people would be more upset by LW practices. My opinion is based on the assumption that RW people would be constantly irritated by the (relatively) lax practice of the LW people (the LW people would be seen as preventing moshiach or dragging down the general kedushah of the city, or being a bad influence on the RW children). The mere presence of the LW people and their practices is a constant irritation to the RW people.

The LW people generally only care or get upset when RW practices infringe on them.
zaaky


Which community would more likely forbid their children from playing with other Jewish children of a different hashkafah?
I heard it's a problem on some blocks, fortunately not mine.
Moshi
RW less comfortable inside LW shul.
LW less comfortable living in RW community.

Davening in Gateshead is 100% normal to me, but I can't imagine for a second being a part of that community. [Even though I think that the people there are first-rate and awesome!]

And I don't imagine anyone from Gateshead, man or woman, feeling the least bit comfortable in a LW shul, whereas I think they would do just fine in terms of fitting into the community, making friends, etc.
Xi
QUOTE (Very Lucky Guy @ Feb 26 2008, 04:07 PM) *
I think RW people would be more upset by LW practices. My opinion is based on the assumption that RW people would be constantly irritated by the (relatively) lax practice of the LW people (the LW people would be seen as preventing moshiach or dragging down the general kedushah of the city, or being a bad influence on the RW children). The mere presence of the LW people and their practices is a constant irritation to the RW people.

The LW people generally only care or get upset when RW practices infringe on them.

Many RW people have an attitude closer to 'what they do is OK for them' or 'perhaps it's not OK for them but it's not out job to judge them or change them (as long as we don't have to intermarry, etc.)' than what you described.

And as Moshi wrote, many would adapt easily enough to living in a more LW community.
LoveToLaugh
QUOTE (Moshi @ Feb 26 2008, 04:27 PM) *
RW less comfortable inside LW shul.
LW less comfortable living in RW community.

Davening in Gateshead is 100% normal to me, but I can't imagine for a second being a part of that community. [Even though I think that the people there are first-rate and awesome!]

And I don't imagine anyone from Gateshead, man or woman, feeling the least bit comfortable in a LW shul, whereas I think they would do just fine in terms of fitting into the community, making friends, etc.


Yes, this seems to be true.
I also find that I'm more comfortable in communities and with people who are more to the left of me than those who are more to the right of me. It's like with people who are frummer / more right-wing then me, I feel some of the things I do would be questioned / looked down upon, but not with the people who are more left-wing them me.
FYI
QUOTE (LoveToLaugh @ Feb 26 2008, 03:47 PM) *
Yes, this seems to be true.
I also find that I'm more comfortable in communities and with people who are more to the left of me than those who are more to the right of me. It's like with people who are frummer / more right-wing then me, I feel some of the things I do would be questioned / looked down upon, but not with the people who are more left-wing them me.

I feel the opposite way.
LoveToLaugh
QUOTE (FYI @ Feb 26 2008, 04:53 PM) *
I feel the opposite way.

This is based on spending time in schools that are more RW than me and working with people who are more LW than me.
Moshi
QUOTE (FYI @ Feb 26 2008, 04:53 PM) *
I feel the opposite way.


I can see how someone who is very frum and has chumras regarding kashrus and allowing secular conversations and intergender mingling can feel uncomfortable in a more permissive environment.
existwhere?
QUOTE (FYI @ Feb 26 2008, 04:53 PM) *
I feel the opposite way.

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krumlikeapretzel
QUOTE (Moshi @ Feb 26 2008, 03:27 PM) *
RW less comfortable inside LW shul.
LW less comfortable living in RW community.

Davening in Gateshead is 100% normal to me, but I can't imagine for a second being a part of that community. [Even though I think that the people there are first-rate and awesome!]

And I don't imagine anyone from Gateshead, man or woman, feeling the least bit comfortable in a LW shul, whereas I think they would do just fine in terms of fitting into the community, making friends, etc.
ditto
Elana
QUOTE (LoveToLaugh @ Feb 26 2008, 04:47 PM) *
I also find that I'm more comfortable in communities and with people who are more to the left of me than those who are more to the right of me. It's like with people who are frummer / more right-wing then me, I feel some of the things I do would be questioned / looked down upon, but not with the people who are more left-wing them me.


QUOTE (FYI @ Feb 26 2008, 04:53 PM) *
I feel the opposite way.


i think, Moshi and both of you make sense - those RW who are more "modern" would be more comfortable with LF, and those who are more yeshivish or chassidish - with RW

QUOTE (Very Lucky Guy @ Feb 26 2008, 04:07 PM) *
being a bad influence on the RW children


QUOTE (zaaky @ Feb 26 2008, 04:26 PM) *
Which community would more likely forbid their children from playing with other Jewish children of a different hashkafah?


it might be a good litmus test. i think RW would loose this one...
Very Lucky Guy
My answer was based on the opening question of which group is more "bothered" by the other's belief's.

My answer is based on the idea that if I were to somehow live in a fantasy world where there was a school in my community that had policies which reflected my views, shuls which reflected my views, there was never the possibility that whatever behaviors RW people did would become the "norm" and forced upon me, etc... then I would not care one iota what RW people did (unless there wa some chilul Hashem going on). It would be of zero concern, and zero interest beyond one of passing amusement.

A LW person is only bothered to the extent that he might be impinged upon in practice. If that threat is removed then he isn't really bothered by anything. There is no reason to be. However, the mere presence of LW people and their perceived less observant ways bothers (some, many, most - take your pick) RW people.
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