Has all of Lakewood suddenly gone Goth? (Or maybe I was unaware of a more gradual process, but) at a chassunah recently where there was only food on the women's side (an issue for another topic), I ventured over to get a bite to eat and saw a sea of black. Yup, the b&w trend long popular with the boys has taken hold across the mechitza!

edit, oops, wrong thread

edited, see above

yeah, I was just looking at the ivris-ivrit thread and thinking, didn't I just post something? where'd it go? and reposted it there.

When was the last time, before this one, you were at a simcha in Lakewood?

It's official. Lakewooders are deranged.

If there is any approximation on Earth of what Gehennom must be like, I think Lakewood comes the closest....

Is that the latest takanah?

Maybe the food on the ladies side was for invited guests but the hosts couldn't afford to feed a whole host of yeshiva bachurim? Just venturing a guess. (Although, at the last CH wedding I was at, there was no dessert on the men's side.)

Actually I was told that 'Brown is the new black' and at the past few RW chasunahs I was at, there was about 50/50 black/brown, in my opinion.

You seem to be the type of person who would love the lakewood culture. I must be missing something.

If you think that, you don't understand me at all. Or you don't realize the true mehus of Lakewood.....
It's as if they took all the stringencies of Yiddishkeit, but eliminated all of the good or "fun" parts... Being Jewish in Lakewood is a burden, not a zechus. There's no simchas hachayim, and no joy in Avodas Hashem (let alone life itself)....

Anything taken TOO far to the extreme is bad...

Probably both of these are the case.
Want to give an example of what you mean?

it was discussed many times here already.

1. re: simcha wear - it's not only lakewood. thank G-d, at least white and black is in style now, cause before everyone ws dressed only on black.

2. what do you mean the food was only on the women's side? shmorgesboard? or the men were not served the seuda?



don't even bother trying to understand him...

This isn't anything new... I have a couple thoughts on the matter:

1. It's winter now. People wear dark colors.

2. Black is classy, which works for a wedding.

3. Dark colors are slimming. Girls are obsessed with their figures.

4. Black is "safe" and not obvious. Some people just aren't daring enough to try something else.

5. Black may not be "in", but it's never really "out". Another reason why some people would be more comfortable choosing it.

QFT

There's a rumor about a new rosh chaburah who's red, horned and carries around a trident.

Why the plural "colors"? Pitch black, Jet black, ebony, Charcoal black and Registration black don't qualify as separate colors.The slimming effect of black is very overrated. If you're 80 pounds overweight, black is not going to slim you down. (I've seen frum women who seem to be trying to pull that one off)

Black works on everyone, while a specific color might not. A pale person might look really washed out in light colors, etc etc. That being said, I have a pure green party dress. Whenever I wear it, people actually tell me how refreshing it is, and how brave I am to wear non-black.

Black does not work on everyone! It can make some complexions look very pale and drawn.

Some people like that look.

I was speaking of the general darker colors and wasn't refering specificaly to black, and yeah, a 300 lb woman won't look slim no matter what color she wears but could you picture her in light pink?? :puke:

I can. It would look just as nice as any other color.

Puke? We've got another Mean Girl in training here.

If I saw a woman 80 pounds overweight I for one would not try to pull anything off of her no matter what color it was.

To echo other sentiments, black at simchas on women is nothing new.

Remember, black has a certain cachet- the infamous 'little black dress', a black cocktail dress, etc.

I find it funny that black is so accepted being that among western culture, black is considered one of the "sexy" colors, along with red (duh) and white.

Except that everyone who says it is wrong. Black at simchas is new, not more than 5 years old or so. Before that you deliberately didn't wear black to wedding. Go back and look at pictures of wedding from 10, 15 years ago and you'll see colors galore. I'm going to look on onlysimchas.com to find some pictures.

Forget onlysimchas. Their search function doesn't work properly. You search by year, it gives you, let's say, 100 results, but when you click to go to the next page it goes to the current year instead of the one you chose.

I don't like their new design -- it's too cluttered.

Prevalent as a NY night-time simcha look.

Remember seasons, too. I believe you'll probably see more color in the spring/summer.

Just by the way my observation is that black [and its variation of black and white] is fast becoming the norm among the MO as well - whether it's at shul or a simchah or whatever, it's a sea of black with a few colors bobbing in the waves. Sliding to the Right.

I'm talking about NY. In the winter. I can remember a time when not everyone wore black. It's as simple as that. The rest of you young'uns just can't remember that far back.

Sorry if that came across as mean. I'm just saying it would not be flattering. I've got absoloutly nothing against overweight people. And JFTR, I have no clue how much 300 lbs is -I just threw out a random number that sounded big, but sorry if I offended anyone in that weight range.

Yup. I used to convert reels of film and the weddings I've seen were all very colorful.

and puffy hairdos.

and ankle lenght wedding dresses.

I am proud to say that I do not own any black or black and white suits or dresses.

I'm not in that weight range (and never have been), but I know people who are, and it's actually a bit of a paradox. Because they are so big, things looks better on them than they would on thinner people. It's the thin person who needs to wear black to hide flaws (because who's got a perfect figure?). But a person that fat cannot hide anything. If they wear a nice outfit, they look nice. Fat, but nice.

And the colors must be flattering to their skin tones, just like a thin person. Maybe neon green wouldn't look good on a fat person (my eyes!), but it wouldn't look good on a thin person either.

I watched the oscars and noticed that a large number of women were wearing BLACK! I cant believe the OPS has spread their tentacles to the movie stars.

Not if you're wearing makeup, which if you're at a wedding, you probably will be.

Other odd colors, even when wearing makeup, can look funny IMO.

But a whole bunch were wearing red, so I guess they must be MO.

I think heavy women can wear any color they choose, and look pretty in it. Why not pink? It shows confidence.




For someone so open-minded, you sure seem quick to judge.

And like every guy was in black and white.

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Black is also cheaper since it all matches-- i.e. you can have several skirts and tops and mix and match and several skirts and tops then translates into more than several outfits. And they match your shoes perfectly without having to get new shoes. It costs more to coordinate colors-- then you have to get shoes, bag, possibly a hat or headband, for each outfit.

Also, black doesn't get noticeably dirty as easily, which is a plus for women with little kids.

I know someone whose cleaning lady thought that frum women were only allowed to wear black.

Who said I was open-minded?

You want to dislike something, that is your opinion and you are free to express it. But when you say that a fat person wearing pink makes you feel like puking, that's beyond personal opinion and becomes, more or less, an ad hominem attack. That is not mentchlich.

Labelling someone a Mean Girl is one of the most insulting thing you can say. I was deeply offended when you called me that, which is why i was so quick to defend myself. Perhaps you can choose another insult to use when you think someone isn't being nice. I happen to think greentiger is a really nice person, perhaps she didn't express herself well. Or perhaps she didn't mean it the way you thought, which was the case.

If you say so.


I'll take it under advisement. Would you prefer "being a b*tch"?


Right, which she realized, so she immediately apologized for her offensive words. Perhaps that's something you could take under advisement.

just the opposite, it's chukas hagoyim penetrating our circles



make up or no make up, i look horrible (at least, to me) in black tops (although it's definitely worse without make up)



exactly. when a (heavy) friend of mine wanted to buy a light sheva brochos suit, another friend was shocked and tried to dissuade her (she did get a pink or beige outfit )

If people wear black only because it's slimming, looks good, they like it, and it goes with everything, and all those other wonderful reasons, why is it that you only see a sea of black at frum occasions?

Melech, PLEASE tell me this is still only a NY thing?? Is this black horror show coming to a simcha near me, too?

I'm not Melech, but when I was in Toronto for shabbos/sheva brachos, I was amazed at how many people were in black. I was sooooo sure it was a "only NYC" thing.
I didn't wear a black outfit, and I overhead someone noticing and saying "Look, she isn't wearing black."

O.M.G.


Although I guess it could've been someone who was just thrilled to see someone in *gasp* color.

Lakewood Wives.


Surely you don't judge people by their weight? I'm sure she'd have a good heart.


Not on blacks.


Hate it. I'll bet their hits are down.

mosheshmeal
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Two more days! is it that big a deal??

Leap years don't apply.

mosheshmeal
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I think one needs to differentiate between women dressing all in black for reasons of style and for reasons of religious conviction. Granted, sometimes we don't really know ourselves, and sometimes the lines are blurred such as when we do it for reasons of style but the style came about or is reinforced by religious conviction.