When I was young, a cousin would come to visit our family and take us out to a restaurant. Invariably, the maître de would tell him that he needed a reservation (or maybe only that there would be a long wait without one), and he would pull out some money and give it to the man, and we would soon be seated at a big table.
What's the halacha on that? Is that stealing someone else's position in line? If so, are both parties chayav?
Full Version: Tipping Maître de
I don't see what the problem is. It is a restaurant, not a public government office. If the owners/employees of the establishment wish to provide expedited service for those who pay for it, I don't see the problem. Everyone else in line could have done the same thing....
QUOTE (Bezalel99 @ Feb 27 2008, 06:25 AM) 
When I was young, a cousin would come to visit our family and take us out to a restaurant. Invariably, the maître de would tell him that he needed a reservation (or maybe only that there would be a long wait without one), and he would pull out some money and give it to the man, and we would soon be seated at a big table.
What's the halacha on that? Is that stealing someone else's position in line? If so, are both parties chayav?
What's the halacha on that? Is that stealing someone else's position in line? If so, are both parties chayav?
I don't understand why this is a halachic sheiloh...
In New York, if you don't tip the maître de, you'll have a hard time making it into any really good restaurants. But then again, people who are interested in making it into good restaurants are obviously eating fish/pasta/salad there, so the sheiloh is only relevant for sinners, no?
QUOTE (krumlikeapretzel @ Feb 27 2008, 11:48 AM)
the sheiloh is only relevant for sinners, no?
Let's say that an SDJ and I go to a conservatory which is having three musical performances in different rooms. The one that I am most interested in was advertised, "Free tickets available beginning Feb. 13th; hurry because they will go quickly. If you show up at the performance without a ticket, there might possibly be a chance that you can still get in." For the other two performances, they say, "You don't need a ticket; just show up."
If I go to the more desirable performance, and the doorman says that it's impossible to admit us without tickets, would you try to slip him a $20 to see if he could then locate a couple of extra seats?
QUOTE (Bezalel99 @ Feb 27 2008, 11:34 AM)
Let's say that an SDJ and I go to a conservatory which is having three musical performances in different rooms. The one that I am most interested in was advertised, "Free tickets available beginning Feb. 13th; hurry because they will go quickly. If you show up at the performance without a ticket, there might possibly be a chance that you can still get in." For the other two performances, they say, "You don't need a ticket; just show up."
If I go to the more desirable performance, and the doorman says that it's impossible to admit us without tickets, would you try to slip him a $20 to see if he could then locate a couple of extra seats?
I certainly would.If I go to the more desirable performance, and the doorman says that it's impossible to admit us without tickets, would you try to slip him a $20 to see if he could then locate a couple of extra seats?
(Then again, having grown up in Miami,
SDJ? Sinner Demographic Jew?
QUOTE (krumlikeapretzel @ Feb 27 2008, 12:41 PM)
I certainly would.
Would that be more likely to turn off a date, or turn her on (l'havdil)?QUOTE (krumlikeapretzel @ Feb 27 2008, 12:41 PM)
(Then again, having grown up in Miami, Cuba Fl
How about that. I grew up in South Beach (before it was trendy).QUOTE (krumlikeapretzel @ Feb 27 2008, 12:41 PM)
SDJ? Sinner Demographic Jew?
Someone with thousands of posts on H.com must know that SDJ = shidduch de jour.
QUOTE (Bezalel99 @ Feb 27 2008, 09:05 PM)
Someone with thousands of posts on H.com must know that SDJ = shidduch de jour.
CMH gets a nickel every time we use it.
QUOTE (Pinchas @ Feb 27 2008, 01:31 PM)
CMH gets a nickel every time we use it.
She was before my time. What happend to her?
QUOTE (Bezalel99 @ Feb 27 2008, 07:25 AM)
When I was young, a cousin would come to visit our family and take us out to a restaurant. Invariably, the maître de would tell him that he needed a reservation (or maybe only that there would be a long wait without one), and he would pull out some money and give it to the man, and we would soon be seated at a big table.
What's the halacha on that? Is that stealing someone else's position in line? If so, are both parties chayav?
What's the halacha on that? Is that stealing someone else's position in line? If so, are both parties chayav?
I don't know the letter of the law on this one but it is definitely wrong, and not yashar.
QUOTE (Bezalel99 @ Feb 27 2008, 07:25 AM)
When I was young, a cousin would come to visit our family and take us out to a restaurant. Invariably, the maître de would tell him that he needed a reservation (or maybe only that there would be a long wait without one), and he would pull out some money and give it to the man, and we would soon be seated at a big table.
What's the halacha on that? Is that stealing someone else's position in line? If so, are both parties chayav?
What's the halacha on that? Is that stealing someone else's position in line? If so, are both parties chayav?
I don't know the letter of the law on this one but it is definitely wrong, and not yashar.
QUOTE (Pure Myrrh @ Feb 28 2008, 03:45 PM)
I don't know the letter of the law on this one but it is definitely wrong, and not yashar.
I get why you think it's wrong, but why isn't it yashar? They went straight to the head of the line.
QUOTE (Jeanette @ Feb 28 2008, 04:59 PM)
I get why you think it's wrong, but why isn't it yashar? They went straight to the head of the line.
You're right, I was hasty to judge. Whoops.
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