May I squeeze a grapefruit into my mouth on Shabbos?

Are you squeezing with your hand or with your mouth?

No...

(and I'm sure Melech is going to chime in with "it depends on who you ask" but since you asked ME, the answer is no)

What about if you are squeezing it with your mouth - sucking the juice out?

What about squeezing a lemon (by hand) into your mouth?

That's different, but there are those who assur even that...

What about peaches?

mosheshmeal
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If it is a fruit that's normally made into a juice, then you can't squeeze, though it depends on a bunch of other factors (such as what for, and where the juice goes), Shemirath Shabbos, Shabbos Kitchen, and the MB all have nice breakdowns.

All of them say that sucking is permitted, one must be careful not to squeeze with hands while sucking.

Funnily enough, the OC 320 says that squeezing fruit is permitted, so if you just start out by reading that, you might get your hopes up.

Theoretically you'd be able to squeeze fruit directly onto food (but practically you don't, according to most), and the OP takes it a step further (or closer to muttar?). Which is a thread I wanted to start today, about following a singular opinion out of deference and respect.

With regard to lemons -- is it only lemons or is it all derabanan fruits?

Lemons are special since the mechaber even holds they can always be squeezed unconditionally. (We don't hold that however!)

This is an interesting case of halachah changing, melech!

The Bais Yosef writes (Page 434 in the Machon Tur 5 lines from the bottom) that the Jews in Egypt would squeeze lemons into sugared water on Shabbos (that's how old lemonade is!) and they were not rebuked or restricted from doing so. He gives a couple of reason. One being basically since lemons in the whole world are never ever squeezed for their juices alone (i.e. no one stored pure lemon juice in barrels) it was permitted.

Today however the halacha changes since today we do store and sell pure lemon juice in bottles and making such lemonade on Shabbos would be 100% assuer. Imagine that, halacha changes.


MS - Peaches are squeezed for their juice somewhere in the world so they would be just as forbidden. (My Rebbe said today just about ALL fruit and Vegetables even are squeezed for juices somewhere in the world and would be assur to squeeze on shabbos without fulfilling a bunch of conditions like Moshi wrote.

Acc. to the MB, I think it's a machlokes whether the fact that it's squeezed SOMEWHERE in the world is sufficient, or if it has to be something that's done in your locale, iirc.

Not according the the other argument, which is that the point is that lemon juice isn't ingested on its own, and that applies today too.

In Shabbos 144a it talks about pomegranates being assur to squeeze since in the house of Menashya they squeezed them (implying only that one house!).

So it's a maklokes if pomegranates are special or if they are just used as an example.

The Bais Yosef holds it has to be a whole location that squeezes the fruit (if it's just one person we say batala dyto.)

The Bi'ur Halacha (Muter Laschton) quotes the Rashba and Rambam who hold even if it's one person he links the whole world to him and it becomes asser to squeeze. My Rebbe said we poskin like the Bi'ur Halacha in this case.

But isn't there a separate thing re: pears in Germany, and how they make pear juice, even though somewhere else they don't, and thus, acc. to some it is mutar outside of Germany?




I find that hard to understand... Doesn't that destroy the whole idea of this being done in a specific locale?

Indeed. Excellent! That is the other reason offered.

But here's the bad news. My chavusah informed me (before we learned this) that he eats plain lemons and drinks plain lemon juice...

It's complicated. See Shabbos 144a - the brasso at the bottom of the page. Then Rashi, the Rif (60a), Rambam 21:12 and Rosh 22:2. And the Bais Yosef 320:1 and then the Bi'ur Halacha.

It might be different than other cases because of that brasso about the Menashya family that liked drinking Pom.

Lemons is irrelevant.

Yes, how does it work that one person can make the whole world not be able to do it? Doesn't it usually go according to normal people?

It was a joke. (It was true though).



Basically the idea is if you are squeezing it you "get linked" to anyone else in the world that squeezes it for juice and we say you too are squeezing it for juice.

"One may squeeze berries (three types listed) but not pomegranates, because in the house of Menashya they would squeeze pomegranates."

mosheshmeal
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Ah. Thanks Pinchik.

mosheshmeal
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Pinchas, you ruined it. Now he can't go on pretending that no one answered his question..and now he can't keep on bumping the word "peaches".

Plain lemons are good.


Then everything would be assur.

When people tell you to "go suck a lemon" they don't mean it literally

You're serious???

Exactly.


(Except maybe cucumbers my Rebbe said... though objections were raised to that even by talmidim...)

Not me. I still like him.


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