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motcha
In Europe 100 years ago, did the very frum have concerts? I know the German frum Jews went to operas etc. But how about the chasidim in Poland? Did the Roshay yeshiva in Lita ever comment? (Someone will probably say the bochrim went to Charlie Chaplan movies.)
I'd love to see a kol koray against gramaphones smile.gif .
Just looking for some knowledgable history.
teddydouglas
I just saw HASC's A Time for Music #20 on DVD, so concerts must have been around at least 20 years laugh.gif
motcha
QUOTE (teddydouglas @ Mar 3 2008, 11:34 PM) *
I just saw HASC's A Time for Music #20 on DVD, so concerts must have been around at least 20 years laugh.gif

Frum concerts in America go back to at least the 1960s.
But how did gdolim react when the radio came out? All of a sudden frum people could listen to goyisha music in their homes. Did the frum papers in Warsaw, for example, speak against this?
krumlikeapretzel
QUOTE (motcha @ Mar 3 2008, 09:29 PM) *
In Europe 100 years ago, did the very frum have concerts? I know the German frum Jews went to operas etc. But how about the chasidim in Poland? Did the Roshay yeshiva in Lita ever comment? (Someone will probably say the bochrim went to Charlie Chaplan movies.)
I'd love to see a kol koray against gramaphones smile.gif .
Just looking for some knowledgable history.
There were chazzonus concerts in Europe. Litvishe Rosh Yeshivas might have gavin their 2 zlotys, but people didn't follow the daas teireh play by play like today.  I don't know if there were so many klezmer concerts, and probably it depends on your definition of "concert"- things in Europe (except for Deutschlandia) were pretty ghetto... People probably went to watch Chaplin movies, and Molly Picon talkies. 
zaaky
QUOTE (motcha @ Mar 3 2008, 10:40 PM) *
But how did gdolim react when the radio came out? All of a sudden frum people could listen to goyisha music in their homes.


goyisha music, Amos n' Andy, game shows, soap operas, etc.
In those days I don't think anybody blinked (it would be a great topic for research).
With the attitudes prevalent today, radio would be banned.

Just answered my question.
Yiddish radio flourished.

http://www.yiddishradioproject.org/exhibits/history/

krumlikeapretzel
QUOTE (zaaky @ Mar 3 2008, 10:12 PM) *
goyisha music, Amos n' Andy, game shows, soap operas, etc.
In those days I don't think anybody blinked (it would be a great topic for research).
With the attitudes prevalent today, radio would be banned.
Back in those days, there was a much smaller gap in Torah knowledge between the average Baalhabos and the Rosh Yeshivas, so they tended to behave themselves, lest the hand that fed them decide that it could give almost as good a shiur without driving people nuts...
zaaky
QUOTE (krumlikeapretzel @ Mar 3 2008, 11:17 PM) *
Back in those days, there was a much smaller gap in Torah knowledge between the average Baalhabos and the Rosh Yeshivas,


So did the average Baalabos get dumber or did the Rosh Yeshivas get smarter?
krumlikeapretzel
QUOTE (zaaky @ Mar 3 2008, 10:51 PM) *
So did the average Baalabos get dumber or did the Rosh Yeshivas get smarter?
The Baalebatim didn't get dumber, they just got less well Jewishly educated. The Rosh Yeshivas certainly didn't get smarter...
zaaky
QUOTE (krumlikeapretzel @ Mar 4 2008, 12:40 AM) *
The Baalebatim didn't get dumber, they just got less well Jewishly educated. The Rosh Yeshivas certainly didn't get smarter...


Good answer. Maybe fun was not condemned in the 1930s like it is today and Jewish families could gather around the radio to listen to their favorite radio show.
Now it's a big deal if there is an occasional concert.
Kalashnikover_Rebbe
People back then were worried about the latest pogrom and how they would eat that week. There was little time for concerts.......
Moshi
Yiddish theatre was the big thing, and quite controversial afaik. Maybe part of that was because yiddish theatre was also associated with the various controversial youth movements at the time. That's the impression I have based on various Shalom Aleichem stories and the like.
Jeanette
Well chazzanus was a big deal.
motcha
I know there was a secular theater etc. My question was if there were frum concerts.
krumlikeapretzel
QUOTE (Kalashnikover_Rebbe @ Mar 4 2008, 06:30 AM) *
People back then were worried about the latest pogrom and how they would eat that week. There was little time for concerts.......
In the Ukraine, definitely. In Lita, not really. In Deutschlandia, not at all.
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