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Xi
QUOTE (Classic @ Mar 11 2008, 11:30 AM) *
Forgive me as I interrupt for a moment with my lack of any experience in raising children. I suggest that perhaps each child is different and therefore needs a unique set of rules for how much he's allowed to drink and when, as should be the rule in deciding anything for a child.



QUOTE (FYI @ Mar 11 2008, 11:39 AM) *
I believe I said (or meant to say) that I plan to
I agree that each child is differently but there are still house rules and while they may change/adjust per child, there is still the concept of blanket rules for 'in this home, we don't allow...' x, y, or z.



QUOTE (Classic @ Mar 11 2008, 11:50 AM) *
That's where we disagree. smile.gif We don't plan on having "blanket rules" for our home. More of my thoughts on this will just get off topic, so you can PM me if you're interested in more.



QUOTE (FYI @ Mar 11 2008, 11:57 AM) *
I'm very interested, but would you allow 1 child to hit and another to not hit in your home?



QUOTE (Classic @ Mar 11 2008, 12:01 PM) *
Oooh, I knew that would be the first thing someone would bring up. Please either PM me or start a new topic; I don't want to continue this in this thread.



QUOTE (FYI @ Mar 11 2008, 12:06 PM) *
MODS: PLEASE SPLIT!!!!

THANKS!!!!



QUOTE (melech @ Mar 11 2008, 12:35 PM) *
You don't need the mods for that. Just copy the few posts and start you own thread.


Fascinating. I'd love to hear more on this.
Arizona
And here I was thinking we would be discussing whether it's good to allow your kid to become attached to a blankie. dunce.gif

On topic: I think general guidelines that can be modified to the kid/situation are appropriate. So, perhaps a curfew is relaxed for a responsible kid who has a summer job that involves staying out late. Or, the 1-cookie guideline is relaxed at their uncle's vort.
Xi
QUOTE (Arizona @ Mar 11 2008, 04:29 PM) *
And here I was thinking we would be discussing whether it's good to allow your kid to become attached to a blankie. dunce.gif

On topic: I think general guidelines that can be modified to the kid/situation are appropriate. So, perhaps a curfew is relaxed for a responsible kid who has a summer job that involves staying out late. Or, the 1-cookie guideline is relaxed at their uncle's vort.

How would one 'not allow' it? Would one say, 'honey, there's a house rule, no getting attached to blankies'?

In those particular cases I see it making sense to all those involved, but what about when 15-year old Yankel asks why 14-year old Yentel can have a full cup of alcohol while he can only have half a cup?
Arizona
QUOTE (Xi @ Mar 11 2008, 02:34 PM) *
How would one 'not allow' it? Would one say, 'honey, there's a house rule, no getting attached to blankies'?

In those particular cases I see it making sense to all those involved, but what about when 15-year old Yankel asks why 14-year old Yentel can have a full cup of alcohol while he can only have half a cup?


You're right. "Not allowing it" is extreme. What about discouraging (or not actively encouraging)?

If I had a 15 yr old and a 14 yr old, I would factor that in. In the case you mentioned, neither would have a full cup because even if Yentel could handle it, it's more important that the family have shalom than that one kid gets to imbibe a bit more. Giving a younger child more adult priviledges than an older sibling can cause problems and should be done only after careful thought and in unusual circumstances. On the other hand, just because (now 18 yr old) Yentel was allowed a full cup at 14, it doesn't mean that 14 yr old Shmealik can automatically have a full cup.
Xi
QUOTE (Arizona @ Mar 11 2008, 04:44 PM) *
You're right. "Not allowing it" is extreme. What about discouraging (or not actively encouraging)?

If I had a 15 yr old and a 14 yr old, I would factor that in. In the case you mentioned, neither would have a full cup because even if Yentel could handle it, it's more important that the family have shalom than that one kid gets to imbibe a bit more. Giving a younger child more adult priviledges than an older sibling can cause problems and should be done only after careful thought and in unusual circumstances. On the other hand, just because (now 18 yr old) Yentel was allowed a full cup at 14, it doesn't mean that 14 yr old Shmealik can automatically have a full cup.

Parents actually encourage it? unsure.gif

I see. I guess it's easier to explain if there isn't a cutoff age (13, 15, 21) but rather a maturity level ('you can now have a full cup because you're mature enough to handle it', not 'because you're old enough').
existwhere?
My parents explained it by ability.
One sibling tended to daydream, so the sibling immediately younger than that sibling had to wait an extra year before being allowed to cross streets until they felt the older child could be trusted to cross safely.
Arizona
QUOTE (Xi @ Mar 11 2008, 02:53 PM) *
Parents actually encourage it? unsure.gif

I see. I guess it's easier to explain if there isn't a cutoff age (13, 15, 21) but rather a maturity level ('you can now have a full cup because you're mature enough to handle it', not 'because you're old enough').


Yeah (to both).

Not to get too OT but the idea is that it fosters a sense of security if they have one special item that they can have with them when they go to daycare or down for a nap or whatever.
Tova
[I thought this was going to discuss 'house rules' and blankets-- we weren't allowed to go into the kitchen wrapped in or with a blanket draped around our shoulders, actually 'no blankets in the kitchen was a rule']
FYI
QUOTE (Tova @ Mar 13 2008, 10:21 AM) *
[I thought this was going to discuss 'house rules' and blankets-- we weren't allowed to go into the kitchen wrapped in or with a blanket draped around our shoulders, actually 'no blankets in the kitchen was a rule']

Why not? How did you wear a tallis if you weren't wearing a blanket???
Tova
QUOTE (FYI @ Mar 13 2008, 11:40 AM) *
Why not? How did you wear a tallis if you weren't wearing a blanket???

The issue was wearing a comforter or a blanket running around the house - possibly because our parents didn't want us to trip walking down the stairs or walking in general or accidentally get food on it/them while running through the kitchen.

Oh, and I don't wear a tallis- and what does a tallis have to do with a blanket in the first place?
FYI
QUOTE (Tova @ Mar 13 2008, 10:47 AM) *
The issue was wearing a comforter or a blanket running around the house - possibly because our parents didn't want us to trip walking down the stairs or walking in general or accidentally get food on it/them while running through the kitchen.

Oh, and I don't wear a tallis- and what does a tallis have to do with a blanket in the first place?


ahhh..we don't have stairs in our apt. and the blankets need to be washed fairly often anyways, since their kid's blankets.

Why did you warp a tallis around you if you weren't using it for a tallis (that's the only time my kids wrap it around).
Tova
QUOTE (FYI @ Mar 13 2008, 11:50 AM) *
ahhh..we don't have stairs in our apt. and the blankets need to be washed fairly often anyways, since their kid's blankets.

Why did you warp a tallis around you if you weren't using it for a tallis (that's the only time my kids wrap it around).

Yes, blankets need to be washed in general, no question there. It was a safety issue more than anything else.

Why would I wrap a blanket around if I wasn't using it as a tallis? To keep warm and toasty while reading a book or watching tv...I dunno, why to kids make 'tents' and read books with a flashlight past bedtime?
FYI
QUOTE (Tova @ Mar 13 2008, 10:55 AM) *
Why would I wrap a blanket around if I wasn't using it as a tallis? To keep warm and toasty while reading a book or watching tv...I dunno, why to kids make 'tents' and read books with a flashlight past bedtime?

Oh my kids don't do that. They only use their blankets for a tallis. And they all fight over one particular blanket because it's the best size. Then, they have to fight over the siddur. smile.gif
Xi
QUOTE (Arizona @ Mar 13 2008, 11:15 AM) *
Not to get too OT but the idea is that it fosters a sense of security if they have one special item that they can have with them when they go to daycare or down for a nap or whatever.

Fascinating (though I still don't fully get it).
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