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Goldfish
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/12/nyregion...ml?ref=nyregion (snip)
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It was Friday afternoon when the developer who had been intent on building a 215,000-square-foot Wal-Mart in this hamlet sent word to the town offices in Ramapo. The fax was terse, but its message clear: “We will not continue to proceed with the development.”

The news that the developer, and potentially Wal-Mart, had scrapped plans it had so diligently worked on gave observant Jews, who make up the bulk of the population here, reason to rejoice.

They had waged a modest yet unyielding campaign against the proposed store, which they feared would force too many outside influences into their insular world of Orthodox Judaism.

It also represented a political vindication of sorts for Christopher P. St. Lawrence, town supervisor of Ramapo, which encompasses Monsey, in the heart of Rockland County. He hung much of his re-election on a promise to keep the Wal-Mart out of Monsey. During his campaign, he mailed a flier to every home in Monsey, saying, “Supervisor St. Lawrence opposes the Monsey Wal-Mart.” Mr. St. Lawrence was elected to a fourth term in November.

“Wal-Mart doesn’t vote for the supervisor,” said Rabbi Jacob Horowitz, one of Monsey’s most respected religious leaders. “The people vote for the supervisor.

“We work very hard to raise our families the right way,” Rabbi Horowitz said. “And the supervisor understood that preserving our lifestyle is something that’s very important to us.”


Cassandra
Interesting to hear that as a reason to keep Wal-Mart away. We have a Wal-mart under ten minutes away from (down the same street even) from where they wanted to build and no one ever mentioned a problem of going there and it's always packed with Jews. The reason it concerned me was the traffic and that's the only complaint I heard from others as well.
Goldfish
QUOTE (Cassandra @ Mar 12 2008, 01:11 PM) *
no one ever mentioned a problem of going there and it's always packed with Jews.

Oh, the irony. mickey.gif
Elana
this is crazy.

on a happier note, i heard that IKEA is coming to brooklyn soon smile.gif
Cassandra
QUOTE (Goldfish @ Mar 12 2008, 01:14 PM) *
Oh, the irony. mickey.gif

Seriously, the only problem I heard anyone having with it is that it is at a VERY central location and no one wanted the traffic. It's bad enough down there already. I didn't hear anyone complaining about the exposure to anything bad. I mean seriously, what's so bad at Wal-Mart anyway? Are they thinking of making an Uncle Moishy ride instead of the car ride outside the non Jewish stores?
Goldfish
QUOTE (Cassandra @ Mar 12 2008, 01:17 PM) *
Seriously, the only problem I heard anyone having with it is that it is at a VERY central location and no one wanted the traffic.

They mention that later on in the article (that I didn't quote).
Cassandra
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Then, the community hit back. Residents joined union workers for a rally in December 2006, and circulated petitions and ran ads in Yiddish and English every week for 32 weeks in a local newsletter, Community Connections. The ads warned of the additional traffic the store would attract and how it would expose their children to such unwelcome sights as bikinis and lingerie.

How is Wal-Mart any worse than the Chassidish granny panty stores on the same st?
shaya_getzl
The parking lot at park and ride that takes up Walmart space now is packed as it is. If it was demolished, the entire Monsey population that commutes daily would suffer tremendously and it would have a long reaching impact. I think it's a great tour de force, showing how The Jews trumped the largest business and the most notorious bully in the whole world.
Goldfish
QUOTE (Cassandra @ Mar 12 2008, 01:29 PM) *
How is Wal-Mart any worse than the Chassidish granny panty stores on the same st?

You got me.

Apparently it's okay to lie in the service of the greater good.
Commander In Chief
this walmart was supposed to be much bigger then the one in tallman.
Bluelaptop
QUOTE (Elana @ Mar 12 2008, 01:16 PM) *
this is crazy.

on a happier note, i heard that IKEA is coming to brooklyn soon smile.gif

It's already there, in Red Hook. It was reviewed in the Sunday NY Post.
Elana
really?! where is red hook neighborhood?
TheDuncePolice
QUOTE (Cassandra @ Mar 12 2008, 02:11 PM) *
Interesting to hear that as a reason to keep Wal-Mart away. We have a Wal-mart under ten minutes away from (down the same street even) from where they wanted to build and no one ever mentioned a problem of going there and it's always packed with Jews. The reason it concerned me was the traffic and that's the only complaint I heard from others as well.

Actually, traffic wasn't the only issue. There's another issue that was mentioned over and over again.

The new Wal-Mart would have been a much larger 24 hour supercenter. The fear was that it would drive many local Jewish retail stores out of business. The other walmart is not as accessible for the women who don't drive cars as this one would be. And you'd have people going to walmart instead of Monsey Housewares, Auction Mart and many other local stores.

Right or wrong, that's not for me to say. But that's a very big issue that is not mentioned here.
U Tarzan me Jane
There is a very large bunch of Monsey women who drive.....And most of them go to Wal-mart fairly often. The fact is also this, even if there is a big Wal-Mart there are plenty of people who will still shop in the "heimishe" places. Certain Items that a frum family needs really can't be purchased in Walmart.
brianna
QUOTE (Cassandra @ Mar 12 2008, 02:29 PM) *
How is Wal-Mart any worse than the Chassidish granny panty stores on the same st?

A few things:

1. Granny Panties Inc. is not a super center. The proposed building was a Walmart Super Center which is HUGE and attracts a lot more traffic.
2. Walmarts attract low class people. Why? Because it's cheap. I mean go to Walmart in Suffern sometime. You'll see more illegal immigrants than you thought lived in the area.
3. Walmarts destroy Main Streets. They have done it all over America. Chasidish stores don't want to have to compete with Walmart. If chasidish women people could walk to Walmart, a lot of frum stores would close.
4. It's a NIMBY situation (not in my backyard). Lots of people who are opposed to the Walmart in Monsey go to the Suffern one all the time.
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