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shaya_getzl
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Kosher Miami Clarifies Removel Of Hechsher.
The restaurant owners claimed that the employee must have been stealing chicken from the restaurant.

As a precautionary measure, the Rabbonim asked the restaurant patrons to leave immediately, and suspended the hashgacha of the restaurant pending further investigation. Kosher Miami issued the following public statement.

"We have surveillance of suspicious activity at Fu Xing. We are now actively investigating the situation. As a precautionary measure we are suspending the KM hashgacha."

Our investigation so far has not been able to substantiate any of the claims of traif meat or chicken being brought into Fu Xing. We have records of all of the kosher meat and chicken purchased by Fu Xing, and the quantities of kosher meat and chicken being purchased are enormous. The owners of the restaurant did not have access to the meat storage areas, only the mashgiach had the key. The mashgiach was of course present in the kitchen when the bag of chicken was claimed to have been brought in to the restaurant at 8:00 PM on Saturday, March 1, 2008, and he vehemently denies that anything was brought into the kitchen as is being alleged.

To date, neither the owners of the restaurant nor KM representatives have not been able to locate the employee to question him about his activities.

Kosher Miami representatives went with the pictures to the non-kosher meat supply house where the purchases were allegedly made, and asked the management and staff if they recognized the Fu Xing employee as someone who shopped at the supply house. No one was able to recognize him.

It has been reported to Kosher Miami by reliable sources that the private investigator was hired by a competing Chinese restaurant. Considering this, and considering the results of the investigation, Kosher Miami at this time does not believe that the allegations are true, but the investigation is still ongoing.
Kalashnikover_Rebbe
Is Fu Xing pronounced the way I think it is??? unsure.gif
krumlikeapretzel
I don't know whether to puke, to stop keeping kosher or both.
shaya_getzl
But your trust in Chinese is unshaken ?
brianna
QUOTE (shaya_getzl @ Mar 12 2008, 06:49 PM) *
But your trust in Chinese is unshaken ?

She lived in Japan, not China.
Shababnik
QUOTE (Kalashnikover_Rebbe @ Mar 12 2008, 04:37 PM) *
Is Fu Xing pronounced the way I think it is??? unsure.gif

No it's actually pronounced Foo Sing.

QUOTE (brianna @ Mar 12 2008, 05:51 PM) *
She lived in Japan, not China.

Which is neither here nor there as the restaurant workers were Hebrew speaking Koreans.
shaya_getzl
Who cares who lived where ? A "kosher consumer" was made wrong by a Chinese employee of a Chinese food joint that happens to be kosher; a noble Mrs. Maple made good and notified the agency who poured their wrath on the joint. From this implication derives that lessening of trust in the kashrus machinery is less sensible then voidance of remnants of trust of the Chinese, and not as a manifestation of Xenophobia but as an acknowledgement of an irreconcileable difference in ethical values. You know what I mean ?
Shababnik
QUOTE (shaya_getzl @ Mar 12 2008, 06:11 PM) *
Who cares who lived where ? A "kosher consumer" was made wrong by a Chinese employee of a Chinese food joint that happens to be kosher; a noble Mrs. Maple made good and notified the agency who poured their wrath on the joint. From this implication derives that lessening of trust in the kashrus machinery is less sensible then voidance of remnants of trust of the Chinese, and not as a manifestation of Xenophobia but as an acknowledgement of an irreconcileable difference in ethical values. You know what I mean ?

Korean! It's interesting to note though that the competing Chinese place was under a less used hashgacha and for a while did not have any hashgacha and only recently became kosher again
mosheshmeal
QUOTE (Kalashnikover_Rebbe @ Mar 12 2008, 05:37 PM) *
Is Fu Xing pronounced the way I think it is??? unsure.gif

Dream on.

mosheshmeal
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Kalashnikover_Rebbe
QUOTE (shaya_getzl @ Mar 13 2008, 01:11 AM) *
Who cares who lived where ? A "kosher consumer" was made wrong by a Chinese employee of a Chinese food joint that happens to be kosher; a noble Mrs. Maple made good and notified the agency who poured their wrath on the joint. From this implication derives that lessening of trust in the kashrus machinery is less sensible then voidance of remnants of trust of the Chinese, and not as a manifestation of Xenophobia but as an acknowledgement of an irreconcileable difference in ethical values. You know what I mean ?

The chinaman is not the issue here, Dude. I'm talking about drawing a line in the sand, Dude. Across this line, you DO NOT... Also, Dude, chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature. Asian-American, please...
Shababnik
They were non-Jewish Hebrew-speaking Korean people working in a Kosher Chinese restaurant.
shaya_getzl
QUOTE (Kalashnikover_Rebbe @ Mar 12 2008, 07:23 PM) *
The chinaman is not the issue here, Dude. I'm talking about drawing a line in the sand, Dude. Across this line, you DO NOT...

Yes, the man was Korean. But this line is very blurry. Why is it so offensive to even examine whether some cultures' values may not be so compatible with others' ?

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Also, Dude, chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature. Asian-American, please...

I have daily very cordial work relationships with more then one educated and well rounded Chinese gentlemen, and they don't have any issue absolutely with the word "chinaman". It's not a slur, it's a designation. If they're Asian-American then we're what - Canaanite-American ? Khazar-American ? And besides, are illegals counted as *-American ? The dude who ran away probably did so because he was illegal and would face more then just a slap on the wrist ...
krumlikeapretzel
QUOTE (shaya_getzl @ Mar 12 2008, 04:49 PM) *
But your trust in Chinese is unshaken ?
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Who cares who lived where ? A "kosher consumer" was made wrong by a Chinese employee of a Chinese food joint that happens to be kosher; a noble Mrs. Maple made good and notified the agency who poured their wrath on the joint. From this implication derives that lessening of trust in the kashrus machinery is less sensible then voidance of remnants of trust of the Chinese, and not as a manifestation of Xenophobia but as an acknowledgement of an irreconcileable difference in ethical values. You know what I mean ?

I have no idea what you're saying.

The problem here is that the kashrus organization lends itself to mafia-style tactics, and they have absolutely no qualms about driving someone out of business based on the obviously fabricated 
claims made by a hostile competitor with utmost disregard to the truth.  The  "Kosher consumer" here is enabling the illegal enrichment of unscrupulus greedy ganavim.
shaya_getzl
QUOTE (krumlikeapretzel @ Mar 13 2008, 01:24 AM) *
The problem here is that the kashrus organization lends itself to mafia-style tactics, and they have absolutely no qualms about driving someone out of business based on the obviously fabricated
claims made by a hostile competitor with utmost disregard to the truth.

See, that's the problem. Assumption of guilt on behalf of the supervision organization , assumption of innocence of the business for reasons obvious but better left unsaid and a claim to "truth" while knowing next to nothing even about superficial details of the case. It's a very generic problem actually.

The whole story sounds like a pulp detective, but what in your opinion should've the organization done when faced with evidence of people being fed treif meat with their stamp on it - whatever the cause may be ? The Korean employee who "can't be found", whose bidding was he doing ?

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The "Kosher consumer" here is enabling the illegal enrichment of unscrupulus greedy ganavim.

You're welcome to pick up some Purdue. But frankly I'm sick of stereotyping of supervising organizations with stupid, irrelevant cliches - especially when they don't begin to apply. If this was a competing operation, it's a war between Koreans and Chinse or what have you, and the kashrus factor here is minimal. People should find some more relevant targets to vent their non-conformist rebellion again the opressing mafias.
Moshi
QUOTE (Kalashnikover_Rebbe @ Mar 12 2008, 06:23 PM) *
The chinaman is not the issue here, Dude. I'm talking about drawing a line in the sand, Dude. Across this line, you DO NOT... Also, Dude, chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature. Asian-American, please...


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QUOTE (shaya_getzl @ Mar 12 2008, 11:25 PM) *
Yes, the man was Korean. But this line is very blurry. Why is it so offensive to even examine whether some cultures' values may not be so compatible with others' ?


I have daily very cordial work relationships with more then one educated and well rounded Chinese gentlemen, and they don't have any issue absolutely with the word "chinaman". It's not a slur, it's a designation. If they're Asian-American then we're what - Canaanite-American ? Khazar-American ? And besides, are illegals counted as *-American ? The dude who ran away probably did so because he was illegal and would face more then just a slap on the wrist ...


KR was quoting the Big Lebowski movie.
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